Talk:Indian burn

Requested move 14 November 2021

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The result of the move request was: moved per request. Favonian (talk) 16:24, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

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Indian burn (prank) → Indian burn – Unnecessary disambiguator. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 15:50, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

• Support per nom. No idea why this was created with a disambiguator in the first place. It has a complex history, having been created in 2004, then redirected to List of school pranks, which was itself then deleted at AfD. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of school pranks (3rd nomination). Chinese burn, the equivalent phrase in British English, was created in 2005 and then also redirect to List of school pranks. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:54, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
• Speedy move uncontroversial technical request. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 06:14, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

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Requested move 21 August 2022

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The result of the move request was: not moved. As noted by various participants of the discussion, this is likely an WP:ENGVAR (US v. UK) issue. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 09:45, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

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Indian burn → Chinese burn – I know both names will have their detractors for being offensive; this is not what the move discussion is about. Per WP:COMMONNAME, "Chinese burn" seems to be more common than "Indian burn" (see Google ngrams). QueenofBithynia (talk) 00:11, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

• Support: Per NGRAM evidence above. Mike Cline (talk) 15:39, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
• Without other evidence, oppose per WP:ENGVAR/WP:RETAIN. The Ngram is utterly unconvincing as most of the returns are unrelated to this topic. (Click on the results lists and nb e.g. "(Chinese) Burn Unit of the 3rd Military Medical College", "a Chinese burn salve". "the Chinese burn incense", "which the Chinese burn in lamps" &c.) I tried tweaking the Ngram to refine the results; "Indian burn is/Chinese burn is" got nothing and "an Indian burn/a Chinese burn" still had too many false positives ("Would an Indian burn one of his own tribe"/"This is a Chinese burn salve"). —  AjaxSmack  17:23, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:ENGVAR. 162 etc. (talk) 21:00, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

  @162 etc.: Of what relevance is WP:ENGVAR here? Is one of these terms much more associated with a particular national variety of English than the other term is? Graham (talk) 02:05, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose – The ngram is highly unconvincing given that nearly every result from the first page of my Google Books search for "Chinese burn" wasn't about the prank. And I can't find any other evidence that Chinese burn would be the common name. (Anecdotally, while I think I've heard both terms, I would have assumed Indian burn to be much more common.) Graham (talk) 02:05, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
• Comment. Certainly invariably known as a Chinese burn in the UK, but this is probably an ENGVAR issue. It was created as "Indian burn", so if that's the commoner name in the USA then that's how it should stay. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:00, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

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