Talk:Indigenous People's Day

Kicking it off

This is an interesting article and perhaps deserving of its own article, but as it stands it is essentially WP:SYNTH. It cobbles together various bits of information on negative reactions to Columbus Day, and synthesizes this with material on Berkeley's designated Indigenous People's Day to make it appear that all sources are talking about a single pan-American and pan-Indian phenomenon. This is not the case; there are plenty of jurisdictions forgoing Columbus Day, or replacing it with something else, for independent reasons. Virginia was not inspired by Berkeley in its commemoration of Yorktown Victory Day, nor was Hawaii in its Discoverer's Day. It would be like claiming that the fact that the state of Florida no longer celebrates Columbus Day is due to the sweeping Indigenous People's Day movement rather than just the antipathy of the public which no longer feels like spending tax dollars on parades, and would rather have Martin Luther King Day off. Basically, if this is going to be an article on a pan-American "Indigenous People's Day", then we need sources specifically on a pan-American Indigenous People's Day. If it's going to be on Berkeley's specific version, then we need to stick to sources specifically describing Berkeley's specific version. If it's going to be about counter-celebrations to Columbus Day in general, then this needs to be made clear in the article.--Cúchullain ^t/c 13:45, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

There are some other problems, most notably chronology and sourcing. I've removed one personal website that was being used to source several statements. One of them was that "The idea of replacing Columbus Day with a day celebrating the indigenous people of North America first arose in 1997 from the International Conference on Discrimination Against Indigenous Populations in the Americas, sponsored by the United Nations in Geneva, Switzerland." This contradicts with the later statement that Berekely has celebrated its Indigenous People's Day since 1992. Additionally, the Wall Street Journal source does not mention the Quito conference or Resistance 500, nor does it claim jurisdictions and institutions that have trended away from celebrating Columbus Day as such have done so under the influence of Berkeley, though it is being used to source such statements.--Cúchullain ^t/c 14:00, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

I've left a note at RS/N regarding the use of the personal website as a source.--Cúchullain ^t/c 18:17, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

As there is no consensus for merger, I'm deleting the tag--Work permit (talk) 04:31, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Merge Native American Day and Indigenous People's Day

Let's figure out how to merge these two overlapping articles. Any suggestions? Jojalozzo 23:08, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

My comments on this topic are under the following submission. JoyceD (talk) 17:22, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

I've never commented on a Wikipedia before, but here goes:

From what I understand these are two different things at two different times, one is a Ca. State mandated holiday 4th Fri. in Sept. and the other is swiftly becoming what non-whites celebrate instead of Columbus Day, which is second Monday in October, these are two different holidays, both centering on Native Americans, but NOT the same thing. You might add "See also..." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.82.9.54 (talk) 19:17, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Two complete different days. Both have significant enough third party coverage to pass the GNG, and I'm unsure why we would merge two unrelated articles. Since the merge template has been up for ages, removing it in just a minute... Kevin (talk) 01:45, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

State-specific concerns merit discussion

Writing from California, and as a Native American, I can attest to a considerable amount of confusion on the topic of 'Native American Day.' There is 'Native American Day,' renamed from the original 'CA American Indian Day', which is commemorated on the 4th Friday in September by those that choose to mark that day. By way of example, the Sacramento Native American Health Center will be closed. The wiki entry is correct in this section.

The website cited as 'Native American Day Official Webpage' is no such thing. That page seems to direct to a private page owned by the San Manuel Band of Mission Indians (as indicated by the NSN designation in the 'contact us' mailto link.) They are no more 'the' official authority that any other tribe. My guess is that only a State or Federal webpage would be the 'official' page. Enriquezeric (talk) 21:49, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

I have not done any editing to this article yet, but I am interested in this discussion. As for as government references, this article does not mention Arizona which has official .gov reference: srpmic-nsn.gov or Colorado River Native American Days at crit-nsn.gov or Tennessee at tn.gov or the U.S. State Department at exchanges.state.gov.

I wouldn't call these pages the best references as most of them appear temporary. It is not the policy of Wikipedia to use only government sources and there is no reason to do so in this article either. I would like to point out, though, that all the references on these pages do refer to "Native American" instead of "Indigenous People". If the two articles are combined, I think this page should be directed to the other as many people use the verbiage "Indigenous People". Also, grammatically, "indigenous" is more correct than "native" as "native" means "pertaining to one's birth place" and many Europeans and others were born in the U.S.

JoyceD (talk) 17:19, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Citation needed/link broken

In the discussion of reaction, there is a fairly general and wide-reaching statement saying that Native Americans have generally accepted the holiday. The reference (currently 19) given is a broken link. Given that this is a statement of fact and a fairly sweeping one at that, it should be referenced, altered or removed. The other statements made also seem to lack referenced support, re: conservative and liberal action/attitudes. 204.65.34.156 (talk) 18:22, 12 October 2011 (UTC)