Talk:Indigenous Protected Area

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The result of the move request was: not moved: insufficient support. DrKiernan (talk) 14:15, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

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Indigenous Protected Area → Indigenous protected area – ie dropping extra capitalisation, in line with normal article naming conventions, because it is not a proper noun. There is no specific single place called "Indigenous Protected Area". In fact the article includes a couple of references to "an Indigenous Protected Area" - the use of the indefinite article "an" implies a common noun rather than a proper noun. Relisted. BDD (talk) 19:08, 2 October 2012 (UTC) Mitch Ames (talk) 05:59, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose The refs tell me that Indigenous Protected Area is a proper name, in the same way that World Heritage Site is (for eg.). Moondyne (talk) 15:18, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Can you be more specific than "the refs tell me...". Which part of which refs? What usage states or implies that it is a proper noun? (The fact that the ref capitalises the term does not necessarily mean it is proper noun - not everyone follows MOS:CAPS.) Mitch Ames (talk) 23:55, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

The term seems to be an official classification which results from an assessment. A definition: "An Indigenous Protected Area (IPA) is an area of Indigenous-owned land or sea where traditional Aboriginal owners have entered into an agreement with the Australian Government to promote biodiversity and cultural resource conservation.". Further, "The declaration of an Indigenous Protected Area over Indigenous owned lands results in that land being considered as part of the National Reserve System." eg. "Deen Maar was declared an Indigenous Protected Area in November 1999". Moondyne (talk) 06:46, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Correct. My lawn is an "indigenous protected area". Angas Downs Indigenous Protected Area is an "Indigenous Protected Area". Apteva (talk) 18:02, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support: the legislation uses Specific-Meaning-Under-the-Act capitals; the responsible government department uses Self-Importance-or-Emphasis capitals (it also uses the term Traditional Owners); both are entitled to do so but we have our style manual which uses neither. It is the Indigenous Protected Area if we write about a specific XXX Indigenous Protected Area, it is an Indigenous protected area if we write generally about the area(s). (Incidentally, World Heritage site is correct, not World Heritage Site). Indigenous is a proper adjective in the term. Crusoe8181 (talk) 10:53, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Why is Indigenous a proper adjective? It's not derived from a proper noun. Or are we saying it is derived from Indigenous Australian which is deemed to be a proper noun? And if so, why is Indigenous Australian a proper noun? Does Indigenous derive it's "properness" by extension from Australian (which is derived from the proper noun Australia). Mitch Ames (talk) 13:25, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

derives from the (putative, though rarely-used) Indigene which is a catchall term for Aborigine, Torres Strait Islander and any such subdivisions thereof (Koorie, Gunditjmara etc) preferred by various groups of indigenous Australians, and thus a proper noun. As used in the previous sentence, indigenous is common; when in phrase Indigenous protected area it is proper. Crusoe8181 (talk) 05:51, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Do you have a reference for that etymology? The Shorter Oxford English Dictionary (6th edition, 2007) says indigenous is from the Latin indigena ("native from") and indigene is from the French indigène, which is from the Latin indigena. Neither English word is capitalised (as proper noun are in SOED). Mitch Ames (talk) 06:44, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose. The article is specfically about Indigenous Protected Areas in Australia, and it's quite cleary a proper noun. Zarcadia (talk) 19:22, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Why is it "clearly" a proper noun? Which "unique entity" (first sentence of the proper noun article) does it refer to? Or what other criteria does it meet that makes it a proper noun? Mitch Ames (talk) 12:55, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

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Fact sheet

The reference Factsheet on Indigenous Protected Areas is a dead link. I found About Indigenous Protected Areas - fact sheet, but it's not clear to me whether it's the same one. I suspect not, because the second use of the ref in the article list specific criteria which I can't easily match with the reference I found. I'm not knowledgeable on the subject (IPAs) - perhaps someone else can look into this and, if necessary, update the article text and/or ref accordingly. Mitch Ames (talk) 06:41, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

The original was archived here so I've fixed the dead link, but the article should be updated to reflect the new version. --AussieLegend (talk) 08:25, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Permits to visit

According to http://www.environment.gov.au/indigenous/ipa/visiting.html,

Most Indigenous Protected Areas require tourists to apply for permits to travel through their country.

It's not immediately obvious from that page, but I believe "tourists" in this context include non-Indigenous Australians, not just visitors from outside Australia. Our article should probably mention this, as it is specific to Indigenous Protected Areas, not necessarily common to protected areas (like national parks) in general. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:15, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

IPAs are not "Aboriginal Reserves"

Hi folks, I got here through a link to "Aboriginal Reserves". Indigenous Protected Areas are not the same thing as Aboriginal Reserves, or at least they aren't in ordinary parlance (and although IPAs are often declared over Aboriginal Reserves, it's a different management layer, and IPAs can also be declared over tenure like indigenous owned pastoral leases). Can this please be flagged for review and correction? Miskate (talk) 02:33, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

My comment is similar - "Aboriginal reserves" redirects here, but the "History" section has nothing about the reserves regime that pre-dates the creation of Indigenous Protected Areas by many decades. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 09:59, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

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