Talk:Indigenous peoples in Canada/GA2

GA Review

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Will begin re-review shortly. Cheers, Nikkimaria (talk) 12:42, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Writing and formatting

• "The Métis culture of mixed blood, meeting of new groups, originated in the mid-17th century, Native Inuit married European settlers at that time,[7] though the Inuit had more limited interaction with European settlers during that early period" - grammar

 Done RE-worded

• "Various laws, treaties, and legislation have been enacted between the influx of European and Aboriginal people to attempt to find a "Canadian culture"" - meaning is unclear, grammar

 Done

• Article still has problems with grammar and clarity that need to be addressed

 Done re-read through again, and tried to fix this aspect

• BCE stands for Before Common Era, not before Current Era

 Done but BCE disambiguation page and Common Era article should also be changed

• Still have a couple of duplicated wikilinks and disambiguation links

used Europe not European European, used Clovis culture not Clovis, Clovis, plurality, spear not spears... spears

Looked for repeat wikilinks but I did not see any...I don't think the article falls into the category of overwikilinking as there does not seem to be one sentence bearing the same wikilink within it. overlinking and that there is a rationale for repeated links being used.

I think it makes sense to have a wikilink in an image caption or infobox or table and then repeated in the prose, as sometimes the lead infobox is not next door to the prose section, and a reader may not see that there is an article for the information they are needing.

• Still a couple minor problems with lack of consistency for dashes/hyphens

Cannot find them, put article into microsoft word for a search and it came up empty

As a quick example, some of the date ranges use hyphens and some use dashes. Word might not distinguish between the two? Nikkimaria (talk) 01:38, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

I found it unique that one hyphen looked like a dash when surrounded by spaces and the other hyphens are not surrounded by spaces, will keep looking .... fixed one instance and fixed it. Most dashes are typed in as mdash or  — and hyphens are typed as -

 DoneI believe all are caught now again.

• Short two-sentence paragraphs should be avoided where possible

Smooshed short section/paragraph about National Aboriginal Day into culture section

• Problems with capitalization consistency remain

Can you provide a hint if possible what is not being caught.

Two quick examples: "X̲á:ytem" also appears in all caps, and "Hopewell Exchange System" also appears as "Hopewell exchange system". Nikkimaria (talk) 02:56, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

 Done Changed these and caught one other, and fixed.

Accuracy and verifiability

• Ref 84 is broken

•  Done

• Still some minor issues with formatting in references, for example current ref 83

Pls tell me more i just cant see them (Buzzz)

Example: current ref 84. ^ "The Red River dialect". Blain, Eleanor M. (1994).. Winnipeg: Wuerz Publishing.. http://tceplus.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=A1ARTA0001097. Retrieved 2009-10-15. - author and date is italicized needlessly, two double periods. It's little things like that, not huge problems but worth fixing. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:15, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

ok periods gone ..but odd i cant fix the " " ther note in the code = <ref>{{cite web |title=The Red River dialect |work=Blain, Eleanor M. (1994)|publisher= Winnipeg: Wuerz Publishing |url=http://tceplus.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=A1ARTA0001097 | accessdate =2009-10-15 }}</ref>

<ref>{{cite web |title=The Red River dialect |author=Blain, Eleanor M. (1994)|publisher= Winnipeg: Wuerz Publishing |url=http://tceplus.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=A1ARTA0001097 | accessdate =2009-10-15 }}</ref> -Nikkimaria (talk) 01:31, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

• Ref 139 requires a subscription/login

•  Done changed ref

• Citations needed for:

• A sideline industry emerged as well though in the un-organised traffic of furs overseen by the Indian Department.
•  Done
• The distinct Métis cultures that have arisen from inter-cultural relationships with Europeans contribute new culturally hybrid art forms.
•  Done
• Indigenous people in Canada do not recognise these bodies but represent their own interests relying upon their traditional laws and governance and pick their representation accordingly.
•  Done
• Between 1900 and 1950 the population grew only by 29% but after the 1960s the infant mortality level on reserves dropped dramatically and the population grew by 161%.
•  Done

Broad

• Notable people section is very long relative to the other sections of the article

Have sent out a request for futher help in this area from others.

this is a hard one to fix...yes long but lots of important facts about history are there..this i not just a list of people ..but includes text with links to important events like Meech Lake Accord, Assembly of First Nations, Commissioner of Nunavut, Inuit Circumpolar Council, Red River Rebellion, North-West Rebellion, National Aboriginal Achievement Award and so on and of course mentions people like Louis Riel and Ethel Blondin-Andrew(the first Aboriginal woman to be elected to the Parliament of Canada)..I believe all this are very important links and subjects that must be on the main Aboriginal page. To break down all this topics would make the article much bigger then it is now. anyways just my two cents ...I hope your call out gets us some ideas.Buzzzsherman (talk) 20:07, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

My response would be that most truly important facts should be a part of the history/politics section. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:11, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

what if we re-did the section ..called it Historical figures ' remove this version to a new article that we could expand on called Famous Aboriginal people in Canada. We would or i guess SriMesh would just make a small paragraph about the historical people and not the famous ones as well..because lets face it a Hockey players is not a historical figure. Buzzzsherman (talk) 20:30, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

There would be a good idea, there are categories on wikipedia of aboriginal peoples but no list format for aboriginal peoples, so these paragraphs could introduce a list type article. Politics, and history get more accounts in biographical books than sports figures, not sure if one is more important than the other, but historical figures fit this article better, and a list type article can be more inclusive of all fields and areas of notability.SriMesh | talk 21:09, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Update page made with older lager version of what is here +++ plus made nice intro ..Notable Aboriginal people of Canada.Buzzzsherman (talk) 01:12, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

What do you guys think of this --> moved it to here User:Buzzzsherman/sandboxBuzzzsherman (talk) 01:46, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Hello there, that turned out well! You are amazing! It saved the listing of names originally put forward, and it gave them enough space to grow and expand rather than squee - ashing them into a section of this article. I shrunk the list in this article with greater ease, and watched for grammar and style issues when discussing notable figures so readers could fancy their own point of view regarding notability and famous criteria.SriMesh | talk 01:54, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

ok your looks better stick with it ok that did work out well.Buzzzsherman (talk) 01:56, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Kept a short section to expound upon the lead image figures &c.SriMesh | talk 01:57, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Having trouble with spacing the paragraphs for some reason though argggh.SriMesh | talk 01:58, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

very nice rename the section Historical figures so people will not add other types of Notable people.

We keep getting closer and closer to this GA thing :) Buzzzsherman (talk) 02:05, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

In an ideal world, yes.... I am not sure now, or the lead image pictures will need to be changed as I made little blurbs for the lead images....Joe Capilano, Ovide Mercredi, Abraham Ulrikab, Tanya Tagaq Gillis, Louis Riel, Tony Whitford, Tom Jackson, and some of these folks are not historical. There is a limit as to who actually has an image which is not under copyright in wikimedia commons. Perhaps with evolution the lead images can help this section and vice versa.SriMesh | talk 02:38, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

But it should be re-named so the entire title of the article is not present again in the section title. IMHO, but not all are historical as per point above. ... so maybe section title.... Pre-eminent figures, Notable figures, Noteworthy persons...City articles might name their similar sections... Notable natives and residents... or... Notable people. SriMesh | talk 02:43, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Neutrality

• According to WP:WTA, certain words introduce an editorial bias and should be avoided

Is there a bot for this?? my MS word thingy only notices 1 word> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.106.108.70 (talk) 20:16, 16 October 2009 (UTC) OMG sorry guys this is me ..I forgot to login i guess.Buzzzsherman (talk) 20:23, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't think there is, unfortunately. The auto-peer reviewer covers weasel words, but I don't think it covers WTA. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:01, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

i have to pass this task on ....I just dont see them Buzzzsherman (talk) 22:14, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

 Done Addressed this point.

Stability

No issues noted.

Images

• Not a GA requirement, but if you're planning on going to FA all images will need alt text - see WP:ALT for details

Still puttering at alt tags

 Done And also changed some U.S.A. aboriginal images to Canadian aboriginal images

• Joe Capilano.jpg needs categories

Seems to have some on commons

• Hopewell Interaction Area/Sphere picture - caption should match the information given in the image, and the text should match both

Playing with template annotated image... to fix this, I think I have it now!

Current text: The Hopewell tradition is the term used to describe common aspects of the Aboriginal culture that flourished along rivers in the northeastern and Midwestern United States from 300 BCE to 500 CE. The Hopewell tradition was not a single culture or society, but a widely dispersed set of related populations, which were connected by a common network of trade routes, known as the Hopewell Exchange System. At its greatest extent, the Hopewell exchange system ran from the Southeastern United States into the southeastern Canadian shores of Lake Ontario. Local expression of the Hopewellian peoples in Canada include the Point Peninsula Complex, Saugeen Complex, and Laurel Complex.

Possiblity to change text... how about instead something like...

The Hopewell tradition is an Aboriginal culture that flourished along American rivers from 300 BCE to 500 CE. At its greatest extent, the Hopewell Exchange System networked cultures and societies with the peoples on the Canadian shores of Lake Ontario. Canadian expression of the Hopewellian peoples encompass the Point Peninsula, Saugeen, and Laurel complexes.

do it ......Buzzzsherman (talk) 22:13, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

OK done...

Removed Alaskan Community... as it seems to be more U.S. aboriginal archaeology than Canadian....

The Norton tradition is an archaeological culture that developed in the Western Arctic along the Alaskan shore of the Bering Strait around 1000 BC and lasted through about 900 AD. The Norton people used flake-stone tools like their predecessors, the Arctic small tool tradition, but they were more marine-oriented and brought new technologies such as oil-burning lamps and clay vessels into use. They hunted caribou and smaller mammals as well as salmon and larger sea mammals. Their settlements were occupied permanently, as is evidenced by village sites which contain substantial dwellings.

• Crombie1983.jpg is marked for review. Furthermore, the image description says the image is dated 1983, but the caption suggests 1985.

Would like to leave it as this. The alt tag gives the photo as being taken in 1983 at David Crombie's leadership convention. The article Aboriginal peoples in Canada notes that after this convention, David Crombie became Federal Minister in 1985 for Indian Affairs and Northern Development and in this portfolio he is quoted as saying.... Indian Act Amendments - Bill C-31... Recognize the right of Indian communities and bands to determine their own members marks a historic departure from a century of paternalism. It is also a milestone in the Government's desire to advance towards greater recognition of Indian self-government... as per quotation cited within the reference tag. This is the only image on wikimedia commons relating to Bill C-31. This is the rationale to use it in this way. David Crombie is David Crombie used his 1983 image to represent his likeness in 1985.

In that case, maybe leave the date out of the caption? Something like, "Federal Minister of Indian Affairs the Honourable David Crombie was responsible for Bill C-31"? Feel free to re-word that a bit if you like. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:40, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

OK, I just didn't want folks to think he was the current minister.SriMesh | talk 21:10, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

OK again, i labelled him Former with above blurb! good idea.

It is just marked for a review because a bot moved it from wikipedia to commons.

Does it need to be deleted, no substitute, I don't know how to go into commons to approve the robot move.

• GabrielDumont.jpg has a tag requesting evidence of public domain status in the US.

Replaced image

Overview of all

Ok what is next ??? anything ???Buzzzsherman (talk) 08:54, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

I also think we should contact Nikkimaria to see if all the points brought forward have been met.SriMesh | talk 17:12, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Remaining minor issues: don't use "Sometime" (unencyclopedic), referencing format issues, "Pre-eminent figures" needs some copy-editing, might consider removing the date ranges from the subheadings and instead integrating them into the article text. If you're planning on going for FA, you're going to need to pay more attention to WP:MOS details, but I'm not going to bother requesting that at this level. Cheers, Nikkimaria (talk) 17:20, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

• removed "sometimes"  Done
• consider removing the date ranges from the subheadings  Done
• "Pre-eminent figures" - integrated in to sub sections on individual groups  Done

referencing format issues .... looking for problem but having trouble finding them

We may try plunking all the references into citation templates, I think most of them use templates, but it would be good to double check to meet the ref formatting issues.SriMesh | talk 20:26, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

ok i found Checklinks: Aboriginal peoples in Canada this [1] and got rid of any "Connection issue" "Connection failed" "remote server error" or "Dead" etc...Buzzzsherman (talk) 21:23, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Good check above, that turned out well. OK, again, I think we should contact Nikkimaria to see if all the minor points brought forward have been met.22:53, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

 Done All reference information data have been plunked into templates so all formatting is done by automatic via the template.SriMesh | talk 22:53, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

as of Oct 19th

All looks good GA our way soon :)
Peer reviewer
Checklinks
Readability
Altviewer.py
Dablinks.py
Buzzzsherman (talk) 18:08, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Very close, but the stuff that was in Preeminent figures, even though it's been moved to other sections, still needs to be copy-edited. Commas in those sections are particularly problematic. (Yes, I know I'm a grammar Nazi, but it needs to be good). Nikkimaria (talk) 20:10, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

SriMesh get to it....LOL we are almost ther!!! your better at grammar then me Buzzzsherman (talk) 22:27, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Ok, we'll try this one now.SriMesh | talk 22:35, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

B.S. This article is crap ... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.0.189.105 (talk) 04:39, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Encyclopedia of Earth

I really like this peer reviewed information source Encyclopedia of Earth, and just noticed they have an extensive history section on Canada, and it includes some very interesting information about the historic peoples of Canada, here, that I was thinking would be useful as a whole separate external link for the article page, or as a sourcing connector for things in general, in the article. Here is the main page of this information also. You people are intimately familiar with this article and kudos on the high level of cooperation here. I am bringing this to your attention and wondering if and where it may be appropriate to add this into information for the article, and will leave that also to yourselves. Comments? - skip sievert (talk) 15:34, 14 October 2009 (UTC)  Done Added to external links Thank you for suggesting this link of historical mapsSriMesh | talk 23:25, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Nice. skip sievert (talk) 03:34, 19 October 2009 (UTC)