I hope you all like the name of the article. Magonz (talk) 13:53, 1 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
- @Buidhe I noticed you recently renamed the article without any discussion, I preferred the previous name, can you elaborate the reasons why?
- Survival seems like a better word as many Indigenous nations or groups have survived although their actions may be judged successful or not. Furthemore, the topic also covers historical actions of Indigenous peoples, including those that did not survive. Hence, it is also about survival up to that point when the individuals of the nation had to assimilate or flee to survive.
- In viewing the literature the word "response" is not often used, the words used are survive, resistance, rebellion, fight, struggle, war, battles, conflict, etc. as you can see within the RS and bibliography on the topic, including the Spanish one which covers Latin America a geography in the scope of this article. Thanks in advance for your kind reply. Magonz (talk) 11:27, 12 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
- If the article scope includes groups that did not survive, then clearly "survival" is not a good description of the article scope. As far as I can tell it is intended to include all indigenous responses to colonization, hence the title. Is this incorrect? I considered "resistance" but it seems to include non-resistance as one of the options taken by some indigenous people. (t · c) buidhe 15:03, 12 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
- The scope has been to cover past (history) up to the present, and in the case of exterminated nations, up to the point where they were extinguished.
- Same argument could be said about "response". Those Indigenous nations that do not exist anymore, how can the "respond" How can they "survive" ?
- Indigenous peoples as per UN convention of Indigenous rights have a right to self identify as Indigenous. So legally, which is the definition which most scholars use, it is hard to define in black and white terms who is Indigenous and who is not Indigenous. So trying to place a line in who has not survived is a very difficult pursuit. Those that have been cleansed, fled, assimilated, acculturated, detribalized etc. partially or temporarily, as in Metis of Canada, mestizos in Latin America, are still surviving. Response seems like such a limited word, when Indigenous peoples have attempted and accomplished survival against sustained long terms attack on their nations, atrocities. Indigenous nations have not just responded to atrocities. They have done much more than that. They have had agency and initiate events and policies, and been sometimes the dominant players in an outcome. They do not just "respond" or "react". The common theme that I read from the literature is that across geography they have wanted to survive. Let me know what you think? Kind regards, Magonz (talk) 18:15, 12 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
Inviting editors to expand the content of the article to cover whole continents of Eurasia and Africa.
Even though English is a lingua franca, I am afraid that my language skills are limited to do this work, as I suppose that Indigenous and other scholars in these continents and the rest of the world, have reliable sources in languages that are not European, to improve the balance and coverage in this article.Magonz (talk) 10:17, 13 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
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