Talk:Industry Bar/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Gerald Waldo Luis (talk · contribs) 04:54, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

I was like Whaaa... you can have two people nominate? Anyways, I'll be reviewing this article. GeraldWL 04:54, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 05:18, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks x 2! Armadillopteryx 05:31, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

References

These issues seem to be only visible to me, I could just fix it myself but taking it here first to see if y'all think it's needed.

• Ref 3's publisher is Time Out Group. GeraldWL 05:34, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

   Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:19, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

• The New York Times Company is ref 4's publisher. GeraldWL 05:34, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

   Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:20, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

• Normally if the credit goes to the news or website's staff, I don't include it as there's no distinct authors other than the "staff." Referring to ref 5 and 6. GeraldWL 05:34, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

  Agreed.  Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:21, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

• Ref 6's publisher is Vice Media. GeraldWL 05:34, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

   Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:21, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

• Ref 9 and 10's publisher is Pride Media. GeraldWL 05:34, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

   Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:23, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

• Ref 11's publisher is Guardian Media Group. GeraldWL 05:34, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

   Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:28, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

• Ref 13's publisher is Bent Share Entertainment. GeraldWL 05:34, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

   Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:26, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

• Ref 17's publisher is Paper Communications. GeraldWL 05:34, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

  @Gerald Waldo Luis: Template:Cite web says of the publisher field: Not normally used for periodicals. Omit where the publisher's name is substantially the same as the name of the work (for example, The New York Times Co. publishes The New York Times newspaper, so there is no reason to name the publisher).

  I omitted the publisher in these instances because the works are periodicals. I don't mind adding in the ones that are not substantially the same as the name of the work, but the template documentation would preclude mention of those such as Guardian Media Group and The New York Times Company. Armadillopteryx 05:40, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

  Armadillopteryx, I see. I usually put, like, all parameters known, but that makes sense too. GeraldWL 06:37, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

  Gerald Waldo Luis Oops! I added all these because I started going down the list before seeing this discussion. I don't feel strongly about whether or not publishers fields should be added as part of the GA review process. Editors will add or remove these over time. I've added them but invite either of you to remove the ones you deem unnecessary. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:30, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

  @Another Believer and Gerald Waldo Luis: I removed the publishers that have substantially the same name as the works, since the template documentation explicitly says not to include these. Armadillopteryx 15:05, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

  Armadillopteryx, Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:06, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Lead

• Link LGBT community at "crowd of young gay men and tourists"? GeraldWL 06:43, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

  Gerald Waldo Luis, I would not necessarily equate "gay men and tourists" with "LGBT community". ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:31, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

• Hyphens between "internationally" and "recognized"? GeraldWL 06:43, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

   Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:32, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

  I reverted this change, because it is a violation of MOS:HYPHEN, which says: "Avoid using a hyphen after a standard -ly adverb (a newly available home, a wholly owned subsidiary) unless part of a larger compound (a slowly-but-surely strategy)." Armadillopteryx 15:10, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

  Thanks! --Another Believer _(Talk) 15:11, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

  Armadillopteryx, thanks for alerting about MOS! GeraldWL 02:48, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

• Link nightlife? GeraldWL 06:43, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Description

• Link nightclub? GeraldWL 06:43, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

   Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:32, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

• Link fort or anything similar? GeraldWL 06:43, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

   Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:34, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

• "pockets that break loose..." What do you mean "pockets"? GeraldWL 06:43, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

  Gerald Waldo Luis, To me, the description is just saying the interior has different spaces for people to gather. I don't think any links are necessary or particularly helpful here. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:40, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

  Yyyyeah, I mean it has attribution already. Another daily dose of random challenges readers get to do. GeraldWL 02:48, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

I'll have to spend some time for TV with my fam. I'll come back later with more stuff (as expected). GeraldWL 06:44, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Gerald Waldo Luis, Thanks for your many reviews of restaurant/bar GA nominations. I have a couple more in the queue and I hope you will consider reviewing Armadillopteryx's other nominations as well. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:07, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Another Believer, thanks, I love doing these stuffs. I will be semi-active until Friday ICT cause of stuff, but concluding this week is Decem-freaking-ber, so I'll be able to do more nominations... if I can. GeraldWL 02:57, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

• Unrelated sidenote: Is anyone else watching the GAN page and eating popcorn as Legobot lists this article as on review for the 49th time? Armadillopteryx 21:26, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

  Armadillopteryx, You really do make a terrible robotic being. And I mean that as a compliment. GeraldWL 02:52, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

  @Gerald Waldo Luis: Aww, that's the nicest thing anyone's said to me all day ♥ Armadillopteryx 02:55, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Second check

• Link billiard table? (I miss playing that on Christmas, sadly this goddamn pandemic--) GeraldWL 04:03, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

  I don't feel too strongly about this, but it would create a MOS:SEAOFBLUE since rococo is linked right next to it. Armadillopteryx 04:12, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

• Link Manhattan? GeraldWL 04:03, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

   Done Armadillopteryx 04:12, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

• Link tank top? GeraldWL 04:03, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

  Again, I don't feel too strongly, but since that word isn't a point of focus or substance of the sentence, I'm not sure it's necessary. It reminds me of the fourth bullet in MOS:COMMONWORDS. I'll link it if you have a strong preference, though. Armadillopteryx 04:12, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

  Armadillopteryx, yeah I'm not too strong on that. GeraldWL 04:27, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

• Link paper lantern? Hmmm, what is wished in that lantern, Industry? GeraldWL 04:03, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

   Done Armadillopteryx 04:12, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

History

• 5 statements using multiple citations, one of which is overkill. Any way to treat them? GeraldWL 03:36, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

  I removed one citation from the sentence that had three; now every sentence has only one or two. Armadillopteryx 03:48, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

• Link landlord? GeraldWL 03:36, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

   Done Armadillopteryx 03:48, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

• What is a rotating cast? Like, replacable casts as said in this forum? GeraldWL 03:36, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

  It means that there's a pool of performers (say, 10) from which a few (say, 4) are chosen every week. The lineup changes a little bit from week to week, but it's always from he same group of people. Armadillopteryx 03:48, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

  Armadillopteryx, thanks for clarifying! GeraldWL 03:53, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Reception

• Link New York (magazine)? Seems like it hasn't. GeraldWL 03:36, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

  It's linked in the Description section (but actually, it was linked on the second mention, so I've switched it to the first). Armadillopteryx 03:52, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

• Whilst searching "midown," I got the result of Midtown Manhattan. Is it referring to Midtown? If so, it must be fixed with square brackets. GeraldWL 03:36, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

  Yes, and thanks for catching the typo! I've added the Wikilink and fixed the spelling. Per WP:SIC, simple typographical errors can simply be fixed: insignificant spelling and typographic errors should simply be silently corrected (for example, correct "basicly" to "basically"). Armadillopteryx 03:52, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

  (How many policies do I still haven't read wow) GeraldWL 04:08, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

• "He stated" is getting a bit bland here. Suggest changing to "He opined" GeraldWL 03:36, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

  That's one option ... I thought that maybe "remarked" sounded good and added that. Do you think that's okay? Armadillopteryx 03:52, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

  Armadillopteryx, that sounds chic. GeraldWL 03:54, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

  Armadillopteryx 03:59, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Final thoughts

Armadillopteryx, I did a final edit, see if that's fine for you. Overall this has  Passed the GA criteria in my view. Waiting for your response, then I'll close this review page. GeraldWL 04:56, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

@Gerald Waldo Luis: Mm ... I'm not sure how necessary it is, since the History section begins with the story of the owners opening Barracuda. What do you think? Armadillopteryx 05:01, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Armadillopteryx, Maybe the issue is we mention Barracuda in the Description section before readers get to the History section? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 05:07, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

I think, ideally, we'd have a passing mention of ownership before we compare Barracuda and Industry Bar, so that the Notes section is not required. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 05:09, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

That sounds ideal. Removing Bara mention in Description would be a good implementation. GeraldWL 05:11, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

I mean, I guess, sure—but it's worth noting that the mention in question is wikilinked. I'll go take a look at it. Armadillopteryx 05:15, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Armadillopteryx, Your change works for me! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 05:19, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Cool, thanks! I basically just followed Gerald's suggestion to simply cut out that part of the quote; now Barracuda's first mention in the body doesn't come until the History section. Armadillopteryx 05:21, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Armadillopteryx, seems to be fine now, Comrades. The green circle should be up soon after I'm having lunch as New York's in the dark. GeraldWL (Pine wish!) 05:38, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.