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Latest comment: 17 years ago3 comments3 people in discussion

This article looks quite comprehensive, but it is going to need both more citations and a very thorough copyediting before it passes FA (or GA, for that matter). One citation per paragraph is a good rule if you're aiming for GA status; you may also want to see whether there are any books on the subject, as it seems like you mostly have internet references (although some very impressive ones). You may want to have a native English speaker look the article over, as there are a lot of odd points of phrasing. Here are some copyediting points (not a comprehensive list):

  1. "IGMDP or Integrated Guided Missile Development Program was initiated by India for developing a range of Missiles" Don't start with an abbreviation. Much better to say, for example, "The Integrated Guided Missile Development Program (IGMDP) is an Indian program for the development of a comprehensive range of missiles." Note that "missiles" should be lowercase.
  2. "The Current President OF India,A.P.J.Abdul Kalam is considered the person responsible for the success of IGMDP so much so that he is called "The Missile Man Of India".Too many capitals, and awkward phrasing. It could read "Many commentators consider A.P.J. Kalam, the current president of India, to be the person most responsible for the success of the program. (?) called him "the missile man of India."" As you'll see, you'll need to say who called him that.
  3. "During the fight against the British Troops, Tipu Sultan's Army, used a number of improvised weapons which included rockets to thwart the British invasion." The second comma is not needed. There are quite a few other superfluous commas in the article.
  4. "In 1970s Indian government decided to manufacture the anti-tank missiles under license from France," This should read "In the 1970s the Indian government decided to manufacture anti-tank missiles...". Be careful where you put your "the"s.
  5. "However, by this time, DRDL developed the infrastructure and facilities to undertake the design and development of missiles" Should read "DRDL had developed..."

I hope this is helpful. Best of luck with the article. MLilburne 13:16, 30 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

  • I hope you don't mind difficult suggestions. First, you ought to be clear about the subject of the article (thinking about its categories should help). It looks like IGMDP is the umbrella for all indigenous missile development since the 1980s. So is the article about the government program, or modern Indian missiles? And Tipu Sultan?? The content looks to me like it should be placed as the lead article in Category:Guided missiles of India - so why not call it Guided missiles of India? If you choose to stay with IGMDP then I think the text needs quite a bit more about the program and its politics. (There's a bad US program example at DD(X).) Best of luck! Mereda 16:59, 1 November 2006 (UTC)Reply


Lightweight calipers? The reference cited says nothing about the particular missile (AXO) and this article is not about the spin-offs of missile technology for civilian uses. Irrelevant. 203.110.246.230 17:50, 30 March 2007 (UTC)Reply

Lead section

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Latest comment: 18 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Is the lead section o.k. I am going to add the following as the lead section.

India started the IGMDP (Integrated Guided Missile Development Program) for developing a range of missiles like the short range Prithvi ballistic missile, intermediate range Agni ballistic missile, surface to air Akash, Trishul missiles and the anti tank Nag missile. The Prithvi and Agni missiles are already deployed and Agni-III missile is under development. Also an Air to Air missile, with beyond visual range capability called Astra is being developed. People of India affectionately call A.P.J.Abdul Kalam, the President of India as "The Missile Man Of India" for his contribution to the program.

Chanakyathegreat 17:05, 30 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Time to split this article

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Time to spilt this article up into individual articles for each missile? 145.253.108.22 11:47, 15 January 2007 (UTC)Reply

I agree with that idea. Apart from being able to expand upon the individual missiles themselves, it would also help to put each missile in their respective categories. for eg, I cannot find the Nag missile in the antitank missile category at all. Also, it would help improve readability of the IGMDP main article by itself. Cheers. Sniperz11 00:49, 30 March 2007 (UTC)Reply

Some Suggestions

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Latest comment: 16 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Some Suggestions on my Part:

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"During the fight against the British Troops, Tipu Sultan's Army, used a number 
 of improvised weapons which included rockets to thwart the British invasion."

I believe that this would be wrong to say so. for the time, Tipus rockets were extremely well developed and the cutting edge of 'missile' technology of those times. so while by today's standards, they would be improvised, in those days, they were mass produced after strenuous research, and can't be called improvised.

Another reason to refute this would be the fact that they were well integrated into the Army and the battle Tactics. Tipu sultan used had 27 regiments of these rocketeers called 'Jourks'. (about 6000 men).

2. The IGMDP encompasses only 5 missile systems: Prithvi, Agni, Akash, Nag, and Trishul. Astra, AXO, Surya and others do not and never were part of the IGMDP, for which 389 crores was allotted in 1986. However, these could be classified as part of a new article "Indian Missile Systems" or "Guided missiles of India" which would include all these, with links to the individual missile pages as well. That would, IMO be much better than now.

Cheers. Sniperz11 01:11, 30 March 2007 (UTC)Reply

Same goes with Nirbhay.  S3000  ☎ 13:44, 17 April 2008 (UTC)Reply

Astra & Surya not a part of IGMDP

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Latest comment: 16 years ago3 comments3 people in discussion

Both are not part of IGMDP. Surya doesn't even exist, nothing beyond speculation. wonder ppl are thinking about Surya when DRDO is developing Three Stage Agni-IV.

here are some sources http://cns.miis.edu/research/india/indiach2.htm http://www.defenceindia.com/def_common/road_missile_development.html IGMDP is program of only 5 Projects, Prithvi, Agni, Nag, Akash, Trishul. Its nothing more than that. hence we should remove Trishul & Surya from the article.

Moreover Akash, Trishul, Prithvi- all these missiles deserve a seperate articles. Prithvi itself has so many variants, I,II,III,Dhanush and even PADs first stage is from Prithvi.Ajay ijn (talk) 14:42, 23 January 2008 (UTC)Reply

I've heard a lot about the Surya ICBM from the press but there's never been any information from reputed sources. I guess its mere speculation. I too believe that seperate articles should be set up for each of the missiles. This article it too unorganized with new information simply slotted in here and there.  S3000  ☎ 19:47, 17 February 2008 (UTC)Reply
I am deleting the Surya part because it is speculation.Vayu (talk) 21:09, 10 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

Created Seperate article on Astra

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i have created an article on Astra since it does not belong to IGMDP. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astra_Missile Ajay ijn (talk) 15:12, 23 January 2008 (UTC)Reply

Surya not a part of IGMDP

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Latest comment: 14 years ago8 comments8 people in discussion

Surya is not a part of IGMDP. There is no official confirmation to whether any missile named Surya is under development. The Section should be removed from the article.Ajay ijn (talk) 04:22, 5 February 2008 (UTC)Reply

I doubt if Surya even exists... there have been no official reports of such a missile. A 40 m long missile is stupid, and will not be taken on by the scientists... we can already see the future of indian missiles in future Agnis, which will have 3 stages, and will have a range of 8000-10000 km. I think we can agree that Surya missile does not exist. T/@ Sniperz11 editssign 05:03, 5 February 2008 (UTC)Reply
Surya is merely speculation by the press. Nothing else. To those who believe there is a Surya ICBM in the making, compose an article of it once its announced by a reputable source, or once it is test-fired. Till then lets not talk about it.  S3000  ☎ 19:51, 17 February 2008 (UTC)Reply
I agree that Surya is no longer a part of the IGMDP since this program has now been closed and further development of missiles will be taken up on an individual basis. However there have been several credible reports from third party sources including the Federation of American Scientists that India may be taking the first steps towards the development of an ICBM with ranges nearing 10000 km. In the late 90's there were reports that India would simply use the PSLV rocket for this, but this would not be a quick reaction missile and could be viewed as a first strike weapon. When the article regarding the Advanced technology vessel could be created much before it was public knowledge and there still exists an article about the Aurora Aircraft, Surya deserves some mention within the article since it was also mentioned indirectly by Dr Kalam himself several times as well.Abhishekmathur (talk) 19:15, 10 May 2008 (UTC)Reply

Surya project did not exist until now. And it's not part of IGMDP. The world was speculating till now about the Surya missile. Now the capability to develop such a missile exists and there are plans to develop missiles with 10,000 km according to the threats either present or future.[1] Why not have a Surya ICBM. If the world was speculating till now let there be a Surya project to develop an ICBM with 10,000 km reach.Chanakyathegreat (talk) 16:58, 12 May 2008 (UTC)Reply


I too add support to remove this article as it is imagination rather then true. Also if India is developing Surya Range there is no relation of Surya Missiles with IGMDP. Hence, this must be removed as soon as possible so that no one is directed with wrong content.--Crickethitesh (talk) 14:00, 5 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

Yes, surya, shaurya, nirbhay etc are NOT igmdp, i dunno why it is included here! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.100.5.80 (talk) 18:21, 23 December 2008 (UTC)Reply

Made an edit on Dhanush.Old and obsolete data was replaced by new test data. Swift&silent (talk) 07:06, 14 December 2009 (UTC)Reply

An much needed table

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Latest comment: 14 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

So here it is: An table to list all major missiles (currently limited to Agni/Prithvi).While I took utmost care to get as accurate as possible data their WILL be clashes as various source differ,sometimes wildly! e.g. now agni-V is listed as 6000-7000 km in Wikipedia while most sources say it has 5000-6000 km range so I selected only legit data(aka verifiable data) and range is given as 5000-6000 km.Feel free to edit it if you have verifiable material.

Swift&silent (talk) 13:10, 2 October 2010 (UTC)Reply

Consolidation & Reorganization Needed

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Latest comment: 12 years ago4 comments2 people in discussion

The same data about various indian missiles is repeated in many different wikipedia categories. We really need to look at consolidating and organizing these data in a more meaningful manner. E.g. India and weapons of mass destruction and IGMDP have data overlap. I don't know much about the decisions behind the current categorization, and perhaps some of the editors can chime in on how to go about this. Mindtubes (talk) 14:44, 7 May 2012 (UTC)Reply

Started the process - Previously, the IGMDP article was kind of a dumping ground for all the missiles developed / under development by India. This has been corrected by creating a new wiki article called Guided Missiles of India. For the IGMDP article, based on the current content available, I propose the following structure (rough draft) -
1. Introduction
2. History
2.1. Hurdles
3. Missiles developed under IGMDP
3.1. Prithvi missile system
3.2. Trishul missile system
3.3. Akaash missile system
3.4. Nag missile system
3.5. Agni missile system
4. Post-IGMDP
The order of the sections on missiles may be changed - to be consistent, I have listed it in the order that it is mentioned in the section History. Under the section 'Post-IGMDP', we could add brief details of how the missiles developed under the IGMDP are being further enhanced. The section titled Other Development in the current article is more appropriate in Guided Missiles of India. Mindtubes (talk) 13:33, 9 June 2012 (UTC)Reply
I agree with you completely! But the articles India and weapons of mass destruction and IGMDP should have some overlap. But again, the whole process of development/history/testing must be removed from [[India and weapons of mass destruction. Also, since the Brahmos, K Missile family, Shaurya missile and other missile programs directly benefited from the expertise obtained during the IGMDP, we MUST have a section called "related/future development" whose content should be something that is included in the current "Other development" section. Thanks! PS I would like to work together with you in improving the content/layout of these articles. Anir1uph (talk) 14:01, 9 June 2012 (UTC)Reply
Overlap - I agree that there will be some overlap. We just need to ensure that we aren't just copy-pasting the data every where. IGMDP and other missiles - I suggest we add a history section to every missile where we trace the roots of the missile (briefly) to the IGMDP. Other Development - My thought is that this wiki is only about the IGMDP and the IGMDP has ended. So there isn't really anything extra to add as "future" development, because the program has ended. And if we start mentioning the missiles that have developed after the IGMDP, then we'll be back to square one. Like I suggested, it would be better to mention the IGMDP in the 'History' section of each missile wiki, rather than mentioning all the missiles in the IGMDP wiki in another section. Thoughts? Mindtubes (talk) 19:27, 12 June 2012 (UTC)Reply
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please include a conclusion Misang29 (talk) 10:31, 5 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

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