Talk:Intergovernmental relations in the United Kingdom

Recent meetings

• https://www.gov.uk/search/all?keywords=Joint+Ministerial+Committee&order=relevance – Kaihsu (talk) 18:26, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
• https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/meetings_of_the_joint_ministeria

https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/intergovernmental-relations Kaihsu (talk) 17:49, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-review-of-intergovernmental-relations/review-of-intergovernmental-relations-html Kaihsu (talk) 17:53, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Dunlop review

At the risk of WP:CRYSTAL, maybe the Dunlop review (November 2019) and reactions to it can also be mentioned? – Kaihsu (talk) 06:52, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/intergovernmental-relations – Kaihsu (talk) 20:42, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Draft:UK intergovernmental relations – Kaihsu (talk) 20:14, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

UK Intergovernmental relations

I have submitted my article Draft:UK intergovernmental relations

It is important for this article to remain the Joint Ministerial Committee article to maintain continuity.ChefBear01 (talk) 23:44, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

reject merger

See my comment aboveChefBear01 (talk) 19:05, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Comment

I am removing my rejection for the page merge, as the page is only a draft article it could go through the wiki deletion process as the article will not be worked on ChefBear01 (talk)

Article Name

@Kaihsu:, I think that the name of the Article should be United Kingdom Intergovernmental Relations as that is in keeping with the name used all of the citations.

It is also a broad term that can apply to both the previous and current arrangement. ChefBear01 (talk) 21:18, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

I agree it should be changed (as it implies a genuinely international b ody) but only to "UK Interministerial Standing Committee". I oppose CB's suggestion as it is not a meeting of peers. If the citations use CB's preferred form, there is some extraordinary hubris at work. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 14:50, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

@John Maynard Friedman:,

1. https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/intergovernmental-relations

2.

https://www.ukri.org/about-us/how-we-are-doing/research-outcomes-and-impact/esrc/improving-intergovernmental-relations-between-uk-administrations/

3. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdfdirect/10.1111/1467-923X.12862

4. https://ukandeu.ac.uk/machinery-and-culture-of-uk-igr

5. https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/intergovernmental-relations-review/

6. https://www.bennettinstitute.cam.ac.uk/blog/union-joint-review/ChefBear01 (talk) 15:51, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

How about “intergovernmental relations within the United Kingdom”, which will not be mistaken for the UK government’s relations with other governments worldwide? Kaihsu (talk) 18:14, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Comment

@Kaihsu:, I would support that change, the article name would not need to be changed every time a new system comes in as the article name encompasses the frameworks in whatever form they take.ChefBear01 (talk) 12:08, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8371/ Kaihsu (talk) 20:34, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

@Kaihsu:,

(1) Can the article name be changed or does it need to go through RFC.

(2) I have thought of a minor change that would benefit the opening statement and clarify the purpose of the intergovernmental relations, I would like your opinion as to whether any changes needs to be made.

The Intergovernmental relations refer to the of structure of cooperations between the UK Government and devolved administrations in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, established in 2022 following a series of reviews. The Prime Minister and Heads of Devolved Governments Council is the corresponding body in which the heads of these administrations meet. There are also portfolio-specific interministerial groups affiliated to the IMSC. From 1999 to 2022, its predecessor the Joint Ministerial Committee(JMC; Welsh: Y Cyd-bwyllgor Gweinidogion), established by memorandums of understanding, served a similar purpose.

ChefBear01 (talk) 15:13, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

I refactored the leading paragraphs. Take a look. Kaihsu (talk) 20:03, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

@Kaihsu:,

I have looked at the changes, I made very minor changes, and removed references to the previous committee system at the top as it is not relevant with the new system, and is covered by you at the bottom in reference to what was in place before the three tier system ChefBear01 (talk)

Sorry I had to roll back your edits. The IMSC is actually part of the new system. Kaihsu (talk) 02:57, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

@Kaihsu:,

I have moved the committees to where the groups are as they are tier 2 and tier 3 )as explained in the infobox), I have also put intergovernmental relations at the top of the intergovernmental relations as that is the name for the engagement between the UK and devolved governments, the mechanism by which is operates is underneath. ChefBear01 (talk) 05:55, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

@Kaihsu:,

I think that we have found a middle ground (with the text as it is) that meets what both of us were trying to achieve. ChefBear01 (talk) 20:39, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Close and remove merge request

The discussion around the merge has been had and the merger is complete, the template for the discussion needs to be closed if needed and archived. ChefBear01 (talk) 13:05, 16 February 2023 (UTC)