Talk:Internal passport

Difference

Here we read:

“ All Italian citizens over the age of 18 are required by law to have a compulsory 4-page Identity Card issued by the local authority (Comune) of the town of residence; the Identity Card is issued upon request to anybody over the age of 15. The first page includes the ID card number, the issuing town, and the name and surname. On the second page the card shows again the name and surname, together with the birth date and place, the gender, and the current address. The third page of the document includes a colour photograph and the signature. It also contains the issue date, proper stamp of the issuing authority and the name and signature of the public official who materially released the document. The third page also has a space to contain the left index fingerprint of the holder, mandatory if he has a criminal record. The card has a validity of 5 years. ”

Russian passport contains the same information (well, except for a place for a fingerprint). What's the difference between an internal passport and an ID card? Alæxis_¿question? 17:45, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I suspect that the key point about an internal passport is that it is used to prevent unauthorised changes of residency. It does not just say where you live, but also the areas you are allowed to live.--Rumping (talk) 08:02, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

I suppose that if you change your place of permanent residence you have to update the ID card. Similarly in Russia you have to register and get a stamp in the passport. As far as I see there's no difference in principle, only in the amount of red tape you must overcome to achieve this :) Alæxis_¿question? 05:48, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

I do not know the position in modern Russia, but previously in imperial Russia and the Soviet Union (and similarly in China, South Africa etc.) it was not a matter of moving location and then informing the authorities. It was a matter of seeking permission first, which would often be refused as a matter of internal control, whether of individuals, ethnic groups or economic classes. Internal passports would document which areas an individual had permission to be in.--Rumping (talk) 09:44, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Please consider the use of bureaucratic mechanisms to disenfranchise voters. While obvious to the "reasonable man"[sic; person], some of those participating in disenfranchisement sit on some nation's Supreme Court and use their power, as non-partisan defenders of their country's constititutional law, to undermine that country's democratic basis in favor of their golf buddies. Something doth prosper. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A000:1401:8524:4ACF:C95F:3056:8311 (talk) 01:41, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Copy Editing

"De facto citizens have no hindrance to reside at another address than registered within the same city. However, many inhabitants of rented dwellings refuse official registration at new addresses because of landlords' tax evasion, which also allows for cheaper rents." -- In copy-editing this article, I found these sentences and have no idea what they mean. I left them as-is, but perhaps someone with a better knowledge of the situation in Russia could clarify? Yourstruly42 (talk) 03:14, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Photo

I think in addition to the photo of historical internal passports that headlines the article, it would be nice if someone could supply a photo of a current internal passport from a country that still uses them, i.e. Russia. (With personal details obscured of course.) I suspect many readers including myself have no idea what one looks like. Giordano Bruno (talk) 22:21, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Ukraine, Uzbekistan, China

I removed Ukraine and Uzbekistan-related sentences because they are on the topic of propiska, wihch is a distinct topic covered in respective article(s).--91.103.66.208 (talk) 14:53, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

The China section seems very doubtful, too. I gather, Home Return Permits are something else than internal passports. If they are, then why are they described here instead of the Chinese internal passports themselves?--91.103.66.208 (talk) 14:53, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Removed China... There is a separate article on Hukou, and Home Return Permits. Hukou is enforced by national identity cards, and home return permits are external permits and are not compulsory documents.

Roadrunner (talk) 04:51, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Passport exchange in Russia

The author’s text in this section implies that the passport exchange happened in no time at all, at the end of 2002! I edited the text because it appeared that a paragraph had been inserted and hod broken the original author’s flow, but I didn’t change the factual information because I don’t have sources on which to base any new rendering. — Spel-Punc-Gram (talk) 20:17, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

United Kingdom

Since there's never been an internal passport in the UK, including a reference to a polemic from a newspaper columnist under a heading with the country name seems misleading. In fact, the whole UK section could be removed, as there was never any suggestion that the proposed UK ID card would have restricted movement. 199.4.27.122 (talk) 13:12, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Firmly agreed here. Despite the name, vaccine "passports" don't restrict movement between regions. Instead, they restrict activities (akin to a driver's license), and so are unrelated to the contents of this article. 2607:FEA8:1C1F:9A80:5527:B7E1:2D27:77EB (talk) 04:30, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

This has led to the widespread misconception that registration was just a new name for the propiska

Can anybody please tell me why it is a "misconception"? I live in Russia and I can assure you that permanent registration and permanent propiska(inscribing) is in fact the same thing. There is simply no difference whatsoever.--Reciprocist (talk) 17:14, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

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U.S. states issued Real ID-complaint documents

Could the need for Real ID-complaint state issued documents count as a kind of internal passport, since it will be needed for domestic flights and to enter secure federal facilities? I mean an alternative would be the U.S. passport in either booklet or card form. -- sion8 ^{talk page} 08:01, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

List is pointless

The country list doesn't include - Countries like Canada, which did have restrictions on movements and passports to show for it

The country list does include - Countries like Italy, which did not have restrictions on movements but did have passports to show for it

The country list doesn't include - Countries like Vietnam, which did/does have restrictions on movements, but no passports to show for it

The country list does include - Countries like Russia, which does not have restrictions on movements, and never did have passports to show for it

Confused about this list honestly. Russia's ID card is no different to others, and does not restrict movement (except Closed cities) and isn't even required to be carried around like other countries like for example Belgium (which despite mandatory carrying, doesn't restrict migration or movement) ... on the other hand, countries which did not have serious laws but did have serious enforcement of anti-movement like Canada aren't listed, but countries which did have serious laws but do not have serious enforcement like China are listed. China is listed because it's a law (even though it's not enforced) but Canada is not listed because it was never a law (despite being enforced?) 82.19.153.78 (talk) 01:15, 24 June 2023 (UTC)