Talk:International A series
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"International" brand
editTrucks built by "International Harvester Company" (and "Navistar") are branded "International". This is true from at least 1914, the name may have been in use by 1908. "A History of International Trucks (PDF copy of this article)". International Harvester Company, Chicago, Illinois. April 25, 1961. Retrieved September 19, 2017. explains the brand name in the first paragraph of the second page. Seventy-five years of "International Harvester Company" brochures for "International" trucks are here: [1]
There is a discussion about all International/International Harvester brands at " "Are International Harvester trucks branded "International"?. Thank you. Sammy D III (talk) 15:42, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
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In the real world these trucks are named "International" without the word "Harvester"
editThe International Harvester Company manufactured and sold these trucks as "International® Golden Jubilee Model A-100" to "International® A-180 Series" in 1957.
International Harvester Co. has told the public that they have sold trucks under the "International" name since 1914 in 1947 (p. 2), 1961 (p. 2), and 1976 (pp. 14-15, 18-26). An editor might think that one of the world's largest truck manufacturers would know the registered trademark brand name that they sell those trucks under. International Harvester Co. should at the very least be a source for WP:OFFICIALNAMES. Probably WP:COMMONNAME too, most automobile and truck articles use the vehicle's official name.
This box has published sources for the WP:COMMONNAME of all trucks being "International":
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Burness, Tad (1985). American Truck & Bus Spotter's Guide 1920-1985. Motorbooks International. pp. 215–250. ISBN 0-87938-198-1. has "IHC Chicago" under the section title. Page 226 and 229 label the hood ornament logos as "IH". Everything else is "International", "International Trucks", or "International Motor trucks". This only sources the common use of the name "International".
Crismon, Fred W. (2001). International Trucks: 100 Years 1907-2007. Crestline. ISBN 978-0970056726. Davies, Peter J. (2000). The World Encyclopedia of Trucks. Lorenz Books. pp. 401–403. ISBN 0-7548-0518-2. Page 401 is International Harvester, Melbourne, Australia. Page 402-403 is International Harvester, Chicago, Illinois, USA. This sources all trucks after 1914 being named "International". Foster, Patrick (2015). International Harvester Trucks, The Complete History. Motorbooks. ISBN 978-0-7603-4860-4. This sources all trucks after 1914 being named "International". Mroz, Albert (1996). The Illustrated Encyclopedia of American Trucks and Commercial Vehicles. Krause. pp. 206–212. ISBN 0-87341368-7. P. 206 "In 1914, the IHC was superseded with the name International". This only sources the common use of the name "International" Wood, Donald F. (1998). American Buses. MBI Publishing. pp. 23, 41, 42, 58, 65, 77, 96, 101, 116, 123, 127, 130. ISBN 0-7603-0432-7. uses "International" or "International chassis". This only sources the common use of the name "International". Motor's Truck and Diesel Repair Manual (26 ed.). Motor. 1973. ISBN 0-910992-16-9. index has "International" (915-953) and "International Diesel Engines" (1224-1249). The word "Harvester is never used in the index or either section. This only sources the common use of the name "International". |
Look at the first image in the article (1957 A-100 pickup, Golden Jubilee special package). Look at the right front fender. Do you see the word "International"? Do you see the word "Harvester"?
This article was created with a made-up (probably accidently) name. "International" is used in the lead. As of today there is probably no WP:RELIABLE source for the word "Harvester" in the name. External links to IM(C)Db do say "International Harvester", clearly that could be confusing.
Right now Wikipedia is saying that "International Harvester" is both the WP:COMMONNAME and WP:OFFICIALNAMES for these trucks when WP:RELIABLE show that neither is true. A Wikipedia-specific made-up name is presented as a common fact.
Some editors (@Amakuru, BarnCas, DanTD, Steve Lux, Jr., and SteveCof00:) do not believe that the sources above are WP:RELIABLE for WP:COMMONNAME and/or WP:OFFICIALNAMES and have opposed any name-changes. All have been shown most of these sources.
"Harvester" it is. Sammy D III (talk) 00:50, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
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