Talk:International Crossbow Shooting Union

Proposed merge with Match crossbow

I propose that he article Match crossbow should be merged with International Crossbow Shooting Union. Match crossbow is entirely about the International Crossbow Shooting Union, not really the match crossbow. It contains a lot of good info which could be merged. ~Anastasia (talk) 23:16, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Even though I do agree somewhat, but IAU is not the only organization. World Crossbow Shooting Association is also another organization, which is a break away. They emphasis on arrows than bolts. Since there are quite a few former IAU world champions involved, I considered that organization also legitimate. Also there is very little difference between the WCSA and the IAU field competition.

I rather see a click on the IAU go to match crossbow. Match crossbow also somewhat include field even though they are not the same. When it comes to short distance shooting, they are both matches, just different format when it comes to the two organizations.

For the record, I know Conrad Scherrer, Mr. Walther, communicated with Mr. Winzeler, Mr. Bruno Inauen, and also Mr. Bill Primm. So I know both organizations, and quite a few world champions on both end. I own four match crossbows.

We can certainly expand on the history of the sport, with the modern championship started after the end of the crossbow as a Swiss ordnance weapon after WWII, with Mr. Schallberger began to build the first match crossbow, and the Winzeler firm mastered the construction of the match crossbow, especially the 30M ones. We also can explain the split of IAU and the WCSA.

Other things need to be addressed include the Winzeler stock smit;'sh innovative stock design that change the stock of an Olympic rifle forever. The electronic trigger also is a big topic, etc.

The most important thing is that the article should stand on its own instead of just being a part of "shooting sport" , "crossbow", "archery", or as a side show for 10M air rifle or 50M kk-gewehr, but most importantly, should not be confined to ONE organization. PS. Mr. Christopher Aston is an extraordinary gentleman.

Alcatrazhack (talk) 19:52, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

So, are you suggesting that some of the information be moved to IAU, and then someone should change it into an article that is actually about the match crossbow? I'm confused. ~ Anastasia (talk) 22:17, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

No, but a click on IAU will go to the page of "match crossbow". Alternatively, we put what little we have so far of the IAU into match crossbow as an article. In that case we can also add WCSA in that article too.

I am thinking of listing IAU 10m Men and 10m Women and 30m(combined) champion list. There are too many championship categories that I rather stick with those three. I have an incomplete list of the crossbow brands used by the champions. They are inevitably Winzeler, Lothar Walther ,Schallberger-Inauen-Scherrer, and However I do not have the European champion list. I can put the WCSA champion list.

I see that Franziska Peer's page in German has her photo, maybe we can use that? Peter Sidi too.

Alcatrazhack (talk) 10:02, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

I see your point now. WCSA uses target, sport ,and medieval crossbow, All mechanical for target and hand drawn, which means it is not a match. Sport bow are essentially hunting bow.

I still think that we need to include them, perhaps we need to change the article into crossbow competition? Then we have match, field, target, sport, medieval, 3D and assissted.

If we do not include WCSA, then there is no need to merge with IAU, simply eliminate the IAU article, and this is the combined IAU/match Crossbow article. It still does not address the field part. Notice that the crossbows used in field for IAU and WCSA are similar type.

We simply need to create an article that is "crossbow shooting competition".

Alcatrazhack (talk) 06:29, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

It would be great to get a second opinion on this. ~ Anastasia (talk) 19:22, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

I have massively extended the page and the info. I think the independent IAU page can be directed to here now. I can write more about the history of the sport (1950s) but I think this is more than enough. I also did not provide two info: Bruno Inauen pioneered the built in lever, and Winzeler pioneered the laminated wood stock used in Olympic rifles today. Should I add that? The problem is almost all info I get is first person or talk directly to the inventor, so there are few or no books that I can cite. I put in other disciplines to illustrate the difference between match and all other competition. I did not add medieval and 3D, I think that will be too much. IAU derived their equipment from Swiss ordnance military crossbow, and the rules are related to Olympic target rifle shooting. WCSA derived their equipment from traditional hunting crossbow, and the rules are related to Olympic Archery. Both organizations' crossbows are high tech in their own ways. Alcatrazhack (talk) 09:14, 20 March 2014 (UTC)