Talk:International cricket in 2019–20

Sri Lanka tour of Pakistan (UAE)

Add the wikipedia of this tour they will play 3 ODI and 3 T20I SERIES in December 2019. Anthony Fernandes 27 (talk) 19:50, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Done. It was already there (kind-of), but just missed with that terribly designed ICC schedule. It'll be obvious nearer the tour, but I suspect it'll they'll be played either ahead or before the Test series, without a break. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 20:50, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Australian Schedule

Tour of Bangladesh has been moved from OCtober 2019 to June 2020. Should be removed from this page. Reference: [1] --Ankurc.17 (talk) 08:32, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

It is not really clear what is happening:

• The linked FTP says the T20s are in Oct, Tests in Feb
• ICC fixtures page says T20s in October, Tests in Feb (same as linked FTP)
• CA press release says Limited overs games are due in Feb, no mention of Tests
• April FTP has Tests in June, no mention of T20s

Spike 'em (talk) 09:00, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks both. Was busy with the other Aus fixtures before seeing this. For now, I've moved it to the 2020 page and see what happens. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 10:11, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Number of matches

@Lugnuts: Hi. Regarding the intro text sentence about the number of matches in the season it currently says "136 T20Is". On a quick run through this page that appears to include men's only but doesn't state as such, neither is there a line stating the number of women's matche; there should be a sentence later in the text stating the number of women's matches. Secondly, this only includes men's T20Is that are featured on the page, which includes some but nowhere near all, associate T20Is. I find this pretty confusing and misleading as the number of T20Is played is not correct, and this has been the case in the previous three seasons too. Personally I think the number should include all men's matches (and separately all women's), perhaps with a text link indicating that this includes those matches listed on 'Associate international cricket in XXXX'.Thoughts welcome! Bs1jac (talk) 22:20, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Maybe something like: "Currently, X Test matches, X One Day Internationals (ODIs) and X Twenty20 Internationals (T20Is), as well as X Women's ODIs and X Women's Twenty20 Internationals, including those played between associate members, are scheduled to be played during this period". Bs1jac (talk) 23:29, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Also I guess these numbers include all matches played in a series/event that starts in the September–April period, even if some matches are played in May (after the start of an event that may be counted under the following season)? Bs1jac (talk) 23:31, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Morning! Technically, it would be WT20I for the women's matches, but I see your point! Leave it with me, I'll take a look at refining it. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 06:39, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Yes that's what I meant. I did this back to the 2018 season. I still think that excluding the associate matches that aren't on this page (while including those that are) needs some attention too. By the way, by scheduled (for previous seasons) do we mean 'played' or does it count matches that were abandoned without a toss? Bs1jac (talk) 08:10, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

I use it as a caveat to mean any match that was planned to take place during the season, including abandoned ones, and for tours that didn't take place, like the Zim/Afg one. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 09:33, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

OK. I just notioced that from 2018 back it says 'played' and 2018-10 onwards it says 'scheduled'. Perhaps it should be changed to matches actually played after the season has finished when all is known. I have done this for 2018-19 and will look at 2019. Then will have a think about adding the associate matches to the total for completed seasons. Bs1jac (talk) 09:46, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Thinking of making things simpler with scheduled vs. actually played. Take the 2019 Cricket World Cup as an example. This had 48 matches, including the three abandoned games. Makes it easier IMO on saying X matches were scheduled, instead of how many actually had a toss. And I know this is ridiculous, but you could have a season where all the matches were abandoned due to rain, so the figures would then be zero! :D Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 14:53, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Or a less ridiculous situation - the one-off Women's Ashes Test match. If that was washed out in England due to the Great British Summer, would that be omitted from the lead? I don't think it rains in down under. Although, it did for a day when I was in Melbourne once... Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 15:45, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

@Lugnuts: Evening! Regarding played vs scheduled, I can see that discussion either way so happy to go with you on that. Perhaps series that were literally cancelled could be excluded (as opposed to matches that were washed out), but really not worried. I do though have an issue with excluding 'associate' matches from the total played on the basis that: a) they have the same status, so it is wrong to say that X T20Is were played when in fact it was X plus Y (or X if you discount/ignore Y), and b) the number stated here already includes many associate series/events such as the qualifiers, the Oman Pentagular (mostly associate), the Ireland Quadrangular (likewise) and so on. On that basis the number being 'counted' is really just a weakly defined subset of the actual amount. Not trying to be funny of course - you are the king of cricket here (and most helpful too) - but I do think this needs further consideration. How about leaving the numbers as they are, but adding a sentence along the lines of 'a number of additional T20I and WT20I matches were played between associate nations in minor series'? (I don't like the word 'minor', but struggling to think of the right expression). Bs1jac (talk) 21:35, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

FC and LA Columns-Still Necessary?

Are the First Class and List A columns still necessary? There are really no more First Class matches for non-Test members, and ODI status has been expanded to everybody who would be included on this page (unless series between Challenge League teams would still go here rather than the Associate page?). These columns weren't used for the 2019 page and so far have no data in the 2019-20 page. StatMan22 (talk) 15:38, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

I would be inclined to agree with this. And no, series between Challenge League teams should be on the associate page... potentially the CL itself should be too, but can see why it is here. Bs1jac (talk) 16:23, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Having created the current table format I would have to say no too: there have been no associate FC matches for 3 years. The ICC claim the Intercontinental Cup is due to run from 2019-21, but I'm not sure there has been much interest since Afghanistan and Ireland got promoted to Test status. Spike 'em (talk) 17:57, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing the table, Spike. I saw this request earlier in the year, was going to do it, and then forgot all about it! I don't think the Intercontinental Cup is coming back anytime soon, now that Associates have a full T20I pathway and status. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 20:03, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

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