Talk:Internet Archive cyberattack

Merge proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion was merge, given overwhelming consensus (WP:NAC). Editors noted the lack of volume with the article, which may be resolved later on without prejudice, though the use of references to X accounts cannot be reconciled. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 15:27, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

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I propose merging Internet Archive cyberattack into Internet Archive. Currently this article is a news report of a single event (WP:NOTNEWS) which I think doesn't deserve an article on its own. Security issues and outages of Internet Archive's services have been common in the past and it would be better to generally describe this (including the event this article is about) in an own section of the Internet Archive's article instead. Alternatively, if this single event would be really that important that it meets the notability criteria I suggest moving this article to something like Internet Archive 2024 cyberattack because as I said it's not the first time the Internet got attacked resulting in an outage.

By the way: Posts of the Internet Archive on x.com (referenced two times) are not reliable sources and even on Internet Archive#History this event is described in more detail than in this whole article. Killarnee (talk) 09:10, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

@MountainDew20 and Gideonrmt: Merge proposal: Notifying possibly involved users. Killarnee (talk) 09:11, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

I agree with such a merge.

Note, however, that according to WP:RSPX, As a self-published source, [Twitter/X] is considered generally unreliable and should be avoided unless the author is a subject-matter expert ... Twitter accounts should only be cited if the user's identity is confirmed in some way and as a founder of the Internet Archive (and retweeted by the IA), Brewster Kahle has a verifiable account and is a subject-matter expert. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 09:26, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

As the article currently is, it certainly should be merged. In fact, I don't think there's anything in it that isn't already in the main article. I would only change my mind on this if the separate article were greatly expanded to give more detail; does anybody have plans of doing such a thing? *Dan T.* (talk) 16:25, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Merge. Unless this event has a lasting impact in some way I don't see how it could be notable enough for its own article. This event does not yet meet the following criteria for inclusion as per WP:EVENT: lasting effects, geographical scope, depth of coverage, duration of coverage, or diversity of sources. While there are some RS reporting on this, most of them are sources that report on cyber security or related topics. Gideonrmt (talk) 16:39, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Can we merge this or at least point people to look at Internet Archive#2024 Cyberattacks instead. At the moment Internet Archive#2024 Cyberattacks is more updated and has more information. I know the recommended time to wait before closing merge discussions is a week or more, but I feel like it is clear that Internet Archive covers this topic in more depth.

Also just a comment: As per WP:MERGEINIT "[i]f the need for a merge is obvious, editors can be bold and simply do it." MountainDew20, in your reasoning for reverting the original redirect edit you said "you don't get to redirect a page without discussion", but for future reference this is not true. Gideonrmt (talk) 15:14, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Wait: I think that, since this article has already been created, we should not rush to a decision. Potentially this incident has legs and, until the dust has settled, I propose that we leave as is. As of today (October 16), I have personally found that the site is still a little unstable and so I imagine that the folks are still dealing with the aftermath of this event. Besides, it is easier to manage this on a stand-alone page while the situation is still unfolding.

Enquire (talk) 03:01, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Since this article is a lot shorter than the part about it in Internet Archive#History, I think this article should be merged or at least moved to draftspace. Gideonrmt (talk) 16:32, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Merge for all the reasons already given. Enquire's reasons for waiting don't make sense to me: a merge will leave a redirect page that can be expanded into an article again if unfolding events justify splitting from the main IA article later; and there has not been much editing activity on this page, so no reason to think that the subject will be easier to manage here than in the main IA article. Biogeographist (talk) 17:42, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Merge. It fits as a section in the Internet Archive article. Lord Zaxor (talk) 02:20, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

merge Kiwiz1338 (talk) 03:52, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Merge. Horsers (talk) 15:34, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Merge per above. LiamKorda 17:24, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Merge of course. Cfls (talk) 22:19, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Merge it's not a big enough incident as of yet to justify it's own article. Zippybonzo | talk | contribs (they/them) 09:44, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

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