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Accreditation?

Latest comment: 8 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

I don't think there's evidence that the institution itself has been stripped of accreditation. The link appears to refer to two regional branches of the institution and not the place in Kiev or its many subsidiary branches. I'm kind of a crappy editor so I don't wanna take the step, but follow the link itself and you'll see it's just news from the Lugansk region. The assertion in the opening paragraph serves as a slur then against the whole organization. I happen to think the place deserves to have mud thrown at it, and I'd be happy if it was out of business, but it plainly isn't. Bizetshine (talk) 01:34, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

POV-section tag added

Latest comment: 18 years ago4 comments3 people in discussion

User:Ukrained tagged the Ext links section with a summary: "at least the descriptions of the sources are anti-MAUP biased; I suspect the whole selection of them is POVed too; do we have any pro-MAUP links here?"

It contains links to 1) MAUP English lang. site, 2) Ukr. lang site and 3) MAUP's own open telegram in Personnel Plus where they make allegations of a plot. If you find this inadequate or wrong factually, please discuss or fix that. Thanks. //Humus sapiens^ну? 23:59, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

OK, you dismissed my suspicions regarding the selection. But I still insist on rewriting the descriptions. I'm going to fix them ASAP. But let me remind that the correct presenting of the sources is the duty of the editor who cited them first. Wishes, Ukrained 12:55, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for making it more descriptive. I added links to their publications and expanded descriptions. ←Humus sapiens ^ну? 03:02, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Excellent work, Humus sapiens. You beat me to writing this article. A couple of weeks ago I uploaded a photo from the ADL article on MAUP-- a but disturbing. [1] Before inserting it into the article, I'll want to have some feedback on the copyright concerns. 172 15:45, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

External links at Interregional Academy of Personnel Management?

Latest comment: 17 years ago4 comments2 people in discussion

Hi Riurik, why did you blank the extlinks there? And there is not need for so many "(sic)" - one is enough. Please use its Talk page if you wish to discuss your edits. Thanks. ←Humus sapiens ^ну? 12:04, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey Humus sapiens, I deleted a large portion of the external links based on Wikipedia:External_links#Links_normally_to_be_avoided and, especially Wikipedia:External_links#Foreign_language_links. There was one website linking directly to davidduke.com so that clearly had to go (no commercial sites); the links in Ukrainian and Russian are of little use to the majority of en.wikipedia readers so the links primary value would be if one of the wiki editors were using them to currently expand the article, since that did not seem to be the case, they were deleted.

Regarding the use of sic, I disagree that its usage is excessive here. The quotation contains a solecism - "the Ukraine" - and a reader should be made aware of this error. Using it once rather than consistently throughout the quote is likely to be very confusing to the reader: why sic here, but not there? Perhaps, I'll add a footnote explaining this metadata.--Riurik ^(discuss) 15:17, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Info in English is scarce, and nowadays there is Babelfish and other helpful tools, so I don't think foreign lang links are useless here. Also, (intentionally or not) you removed "Anti-Semitic mood heats up in Ukraine". That was plain English. ←Humus sapiens ^ну? 23:14, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I removed it intentionally. English links is one criterion, however other criteria apply. I did not think that it was proper (unbiased) to link a wikipedia article to a pdf document (Anti-Semitic mood heats up in Ukraine) taken from the "Bulletin of United Social Democratic Party of Ukraine". On the other hand, Ukraine University Schooling in Anti-Semitism Report by the Anti-Defamation League NGO seemed pretty legit so it was left included.

I will defer to your judgement on external links for this article, whether they should be included or excluded, especially since you have spent more time on the topic, and are bound to be in a better position to make the stay in or out call. Regards, --Riurik ^(discuss) 02:56, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Using latin [sic]

Latest comment: 17 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

I disagree with sics with "the Ukraine" is mentioned. Quotation marks indicate that the text is presented as written. Yes, such usage seems outdated but it is still very common even in today's sources. "Sics" make an impression of the article's editorializing on the issue which is not its subject: either the propreity of the definite article or the respectability of the source that uses "improper English". The entire issue belongs to the Name of Ukraine article.

With no offense intended, this reminds me of the Bonaparte's practice to add an elaboration to every article where the word "Moldovan" is mentioned even though the issues are discussed in specific articles such as Moldovenism and Moldovans. --Irpen 03:18, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

It's not about "the Ukraine" being outdated; it is about incorrectly using the definite article before a proper noun. What impression [sic] makes will differ from one person to another, but its usage is not intended in any way to belittle anyone. Any mistakes are accordingly indicated with [sic].

No offense taken, I have no idea about the Moldovan case, and do not insist on having an elaboration about proper usage of definite articles.--Riurik ^(discuss) 04:29, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

NPOV

Latest comment: 16 years ago12 comments5 people in discussion

I find it strange that only about 1/5 of the text is about the academy itself. The rest is about allegations of antisemetism. Should the article then be renamed accordingly, since it is overwhelmingly about antisemetism and not about the educational establishment. Let me quote from Wikipedia:Neutral point of view — Articles that compare views should not give minority views as much or as detailed a description as more popular views, and may not include tiny-minority views at all. If this article is about anitisementism in this institution, then name it accordingly, otherwise it is a blatant violation of WP:UNDUE. --Hillock65 (talk) 17:42, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

MAUP itself is to blame for this disparity, it seems. It is not known for any notable scientific achievement, or any notable alumni.Galassi (talk) 21:54, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Is there any reason to assert that the view of the institution as a place that promotes antisemitism is only held by a minority? Do we have evidence that the poplualr view is otherwise? ·:· Will Beback ·:· 00:01, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Not really. MAUP is Ukraine's biggest embarrassment ever.... Galassi (talk) 00:17, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

We will have to decide, if this article is about an educational institution or about an incidence of antisemitism. As an extreme example, please look at the article Adolf Hitler — there his antisemitism is but one of the segments of the article, not 75% like it is here. As of now, this article is overwhelmingly about antisemitism with a little blurb on top about other things that are there. If that is the intention of the authors, it should be renamed, otherwise it misleads the reader as one aspect of the article's subject matter is disproportionally inflated (WP:UNDUE) --Hillock65 (talk) 14:07, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

I quite agree with you, with the proviso that you would take up the task of expanding the educational part of the article. The anti-semitism part will have to stay though, because that's what MAUP's reputation is based on, through MAUP's own efforts. In fact there is pattern to to MAUP's behavior, not a mere "incidence".

The ball is in your court.Galassi (talk) 14:16, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

No, it isn't. It has never been and never will be. I am not a writer or a contributor to this article, I merely pointed out the violation of WP:NPOV to help those, who edit this article correct it. I have no intention of editing it, my contribution to its quality ends here. As far as the antisemitism, it is indeed disproportionally inflated. It is there alright, but there are much more to this instituion than that, look at the Ukrainian article. If you are motivated by presenting heavily slanted and one-sidede article, don't blame me for pointing it out to you. Sorry. --Hillock65 (talk) 14:36, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

I think you are mistaken. As I already said above- MAUP itself is to blame for its ill-repute, and it is certainly not disproportionate to its academic standing. In fact its accreditation as an academic institution is heading for being revoked.Galassi (talk) 15:34, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Please read carefully, the problem is not with allegations against MAUP but with the article disbalance and POV. Nothing else. --Hillock65 (talk) 16:16, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Fine. Where do we find a sober assessment of MAUP's academic sdanding/achievement etc.? Galassi (talk) 16:30, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

If all the coverage this institution receives relates to its antisemitic activities, perhaps there is little else to talk about. Wikipedia article reflects that as well. If you know of any scientific achievements of this "institution" please add them, or at least point to some references. As long as no one can point out any, the tag is absurd. --Irpen 04:30, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree that article is biased and unbalanced. It is full of ADL, SWC, NCSJ a UAAC and other political critics and only about 1/5 of the text is about the academy itself. It should be article about higher education institution in Ukraine, about its history, structure, alumni etc. --Dezidor (talk) 09:45, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Documentary

Latest comment: 8 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

A feature-length documentary directed by Daniel Reynolds Riveiro would be relevant enough, but needs independent assessment. Please see Wikipedia:Videos as references#YouTube videos as references for more information about that and tell us what you think:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLARckGZiTo Poeticbent talk 20:52, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

It is very useful, and should be included, but with the proviso that the current postMaidan situation is different. MAUP is run by the proRussian element, that is now on the run.--Lute88 (talk) 21:09, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

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Notable alumni

Latest comment: 5 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

That is the most monty pythonesque ending to and article I've ever read. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.248.8.116 (talk) 19:32, 17 January 2019 (UTC)