Talk:Interstate 375 (Michigan)/GA2

GA Reassessment

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GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

   WP:MOSBEGIN - The lead is introducing a number of facts that are not consistent with WP:SS, as they are introducing items not covered in the body of the article.

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

   The main reference is dead. Also when I try to get any of the Wayne County maps from here they all come up 404 error. Also, how do you use the mapping tool to determine mileage on the hgihway, I was having issues determining this.

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

   Is there no additional history that can be dredged up? I mean Utah State Route 103 manages to have more history and its less than a quarter mile long.

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   Seven days (Nov 20, 20:30 UTC) will be allowed for changes to this article before it is demoted. --Admrboltz (talk) 20:23, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Some preliminary comments:

1. Where would suggest that content be moved? To the RD?
2. I can e-mail the PDFs of the Control Section Atlas to others because I've downloaded them all, but it's not that terribly uncommon for MDOT to do maintenance on their servers which make the atlas temporarily unavailable in electronic format. (MDOT does print the atlas as well.)
   
   To determine information off the PRFA, find the highway in question. Search for the Road Name and enter "I-375" as the Route. A set of search results for different control sections will appear. Click "Map it" and a map of that section will load. From there, you can pan and zoom to change the view as needed. Click on the "PR/CS Info" tool and then click on a road segment. A box will appear and the roadway segment will be highlighted. The BMP (beginning mile post, blue circle) and EMP (ending mile post, red square) will be listed, as well as the mile of the clicked point (green cross). Repeating that and doing any necessary arithmetic is how to determine the mileposts along any state highway in Michigan. (MPs reset at county lines, and sometimes at intermediate locations or concurrency termini.)
3. Well, we usually have excluded routine maintenance to a roadway from the history. There's not going to be much more that's citable to reliable sources. Any Detroit News archives only date back to 1999. Now, unless we're going to accept the Michigan Highways website as an exception to WP:SPS because Chris Bessert has been quoted several times in Matt Helm's Detroit Free Press columns. Additionally, librarians at the Grand Rapids Public Library, the LIbrary of Michigan and officials at MDOT all point me to the website when I've requested information. Dr. LeRoy Barnett, retired Chief Archivist for the State of Michigan, has also used the site as a source in his book, A Drive Down Memory Lane: The Named State and Federal Highways of Michigan. There is some minor additional information in that book that can be added, including a second source to reference an opening date. (The book discusses all of the Chrysler Freeway, not just the section that is I-375.)

Imzadi 1979 → 21:26, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Re: to preliminary comments:

1. Yeah I would suggest adding it to the RD as we are talking about the route. Maybe in a separate paragraph however. Also, re: comprehensiveness, might mention AADT and being on the NHS as its an Interstate highway. --Admrboltz (talk) 21:40, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
2. "I can e-mail the PDFs" - Please, I'll shoot you my email tonight on IM. --Admrboltz (talk) 21:40, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
3. Hrm, dumb records for DN -- I'm at work, so I don't have full web access, but is the main ref link possibly on the web archive? And I would rather not start a debate on Chris B's website being a RS. And I say throw in the book source if ya can. --Admrboltz (talk) 21:40, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Let me rephrase, the online archives for the DN are only back to 1999. It's not in the Wayback Machine. I've e-mailed AASHTO, but of course being a Saturday, I can't expect any answer from them for a few days at least. The problem with the book is that its entry on the Chrysler Freeway omits any mention of I-375. (Actually it doesn't directly mention I-75 either except to use the I-75 marker at the bottom of the page.) Imzadi 1979 → 21:56, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Okay. And I don't expect you to take a drive to Detroit... though this is one MI highway I can say I have clenched. --Admrboltz (talk) 22:06, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

I am going to keep this listed as GA, but hoping that the dead reference can be saved, and the history can be fleshed out. --Admrboltz (talk) 00:32, 21 November 2010 (UTC)