Talk:Interstate 469/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Kingsif (talk · contribs) 22:38, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Style

• "in the northeastern portion of the Midwestern US state of Indiana" - I don't think I've ever heard of areas of states being called "portions". Couldn't we rephrase this, maybe mention Fort Wayne in this opener?
• "Also known as..." is a formulation generally used when opening, perhaps break this bit of the first paragraph off into another one? Or rephrase for style if you want to keep the alt name in the first paragraph.
• Informative lead, good length for article
• Traffic flow should be its own section separate to the description.
• Do we say "enters residential properties" or "residential areas"; it doesn't go into houses, presumably, but near them?
• General route description looks good; not boring or just a list, so well done.
• Should try to further rephrase the "While I-469 has been ineffective as a north–south bypass around Fort Wayne, in part because its length is 12 miles (19 km) longer than I-69's route around the city" part either in the traffic flow section or lead - they are very similar within one article A. that isn't long enough for people to forget, B. since it's in the lead ideally it should be expanded on or better contextualized when mentioned later (or re-written enough it seems that way), to avoid just repeating info when the lead should be summarizing.
• The rest of that part in traffic flow is good, though.
• Is there an article for Coliseum Boulevard - it's mentioned multiple times so it would be nice to see the link if it exists.
• Generally good grammar in history section and good writing in the first paragraph; it gets worse in style as it goes and would probably want a ce
• I'm right in assuming that Samaan's push to expedite construction in 78 was unrelated to the push to expedite because of the GM plant in 84? It could be written better, since that sentence ('78) just hangs in the middle of its paragraph.
• "Lock" probably warrants a wikilink to canal lock, since I think many people may at least first assume it means a padlock.
• "Upon the highway's completion..." also sounds like an introduction and is disjointed in the middle of a paragraph, especially with such a jump from lock discovery to no more info on that, it's now completed. The following sentences have the same disjointed feeling, because they're not well connected.
• Could have a link to Ronald Reagan at the appropriate place.
• The history section could definitely be written better for clarity in that middle paragraph and for cohesion in the last paragraph.
• Fail for now - close, but just needs enough tweaking overall to not meet criteria. If you respond and make good edits, it could pass, but may still need a full copyedit and could be failed pending that.
  • Recommended rephrasing and links have been done. For Coliseum Boulevard, Indiana State Road 930 is the relevant article, so that has now been linked higher than it was. I can work a little further on a ce; this article has spent nearly a year at GAN and I haven't looked at it much since, so I have fresher eyes than I did when I put it together. Red Phoenix ^talk 12:36, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Coverage

• Seems to be a complete infobox
• Appropriate level of coverage in lead, hitting main facts of the road
• Complete access table that's well descriptive
• Covers the route and its history in depth
• Question: is there value to having a section on what facilities can be found along the interstate and its exits? Or not enough facilities/info on them to warrant inclusion?
• Is there no more info on during the construction? Who constructed it?
• You'll have to explain to me why the discussions of Coliseum Boulevard in history's last paragraph are relevant.
• on hold
  • Not really any value to adding facilities; there's not a lot - no rest areas, weigh stations, etc. Not all the exits even have a gas station. Most I might add is an article from an Indiana newspaper that states that development has not materialized around the I-469 loop. I didn't have any info on who built it; I can try to dig further, though admittedly trying to do it without hitting ridiculous paywalls on Fort Wayne's newspapers is a bit difficult. Struck the last bit about Coliseum Boulevard - the idea was to talk about bypassing Fort Wayne and why its roads are the way they are, but on rereading this was a bit excessive for this article. Red Phoenix ^talk 12:36, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Illustration

• Good use of road signage, map, and a well-formatted table
• Would benefit from an appropriate photograph, but this isn't actionable
• Pass
  • Added two photographs just for good measure. Red Phoenix ^talk 12:36, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Neutrality

• A hard topic to write with bias, I'd assume; yes, there's no proclaiming love for this road, here
• Neutral even when discussing other companies, money, etc, too!
• Pass

Verifiability

• I'm not fully certain that Google Maps is a valid source, because of possible inaccuracies in names, places, and the fact that different images even for adjacent areas may have been taken years apart, creating a non-real image of the layout. If the source, as useful and accurate as it may be, is in itself not verifiable, I don't think it can be used as an RS. Is it being used to source anything that Indiana DOT map doesn't? Because I'd have to question that info; just use the Indy DOT source.
• All other sources appear high quality.
• The majority of paragraphs are cited only at the end, some with multiple refs. Please can refs be added to each piece of information within the paragraphs, so readers can easily locate the relevant source.
• Fail for now - not much work to address issues needed
  • Struck Google Maps, but I'll note it hasn't been an issue before for me. That said, I don't feel strongly about it either way. I usually don't duplicate refs when all the info of the paragraph is to that one source, as in the description section. Red Phoenix ^talk 12:36, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
  • @Kingsif: I will point out that several road featured articles do use Google Maps and it is generally an accepted source. Example: Interstate 96. --Rschen7754 03:13, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
    • Ah, ok. Well, see my comments above on why I personally wouldn't include it in a ref list. Kingsif (talk) 03:18, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Stability

• Some editing tensions in January, May, and as recent as June, including templates and (though unwarranted) cn tags. So a bit on the line.
• Pass just

Copyright

• Almost eerily clean
• Pass

Overall

• A borderline article all round, would like improvements particularly to style. Kingsif (talk) 22:38, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

@Red Phoenix: Thank for the quick response! Good work - the only note left would be the refs at the end of chunks, but since these aren't overly long chunks, I'll leave you to it.

I can now say this passes GA. Kingsif (talk) 16:11, 12 September 2019 (UTC)