Talk:Interstate 696/Archive 1

Archive 1

Mixing bowl

"Is the "mixing bowl" really telegraph/the lodge/northwestern/southfield/696? I thought that was located farther west, at the end of 696... where 696/96/275/m-5/grand river all come together. B June 15, 2006

http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&q=mixing+bowl+i-696&btnG=Search will answer your question. Amazingly that giganormus intersection that you mentioned, does not, as far as I'm aware have a name. Though it does have special locating signage on the ramps every 100 yards so that people in accidents can tell rescue personal where they are. (eg NB I-275 to EB I-696 .4)

Separated older discussions into separate sections for readability. --Thomprod (talk) 13:21, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Number of lanes

"It has 4-5 lanes for most of its length..." Shouldn't this be 8-10 lanes? Generally, lanes are counted in both directions, unless the direction is specified (e.g. eastbound, etc.). Very few interstate highways have more lanes in one direction than the other, but because it remains a possibility, I can't discount that I-696 has five lanes (presumably, two in one direction and three in the other). -- SwissCelt 16:41, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Resolved

February 6, 2006. --Thomprod (talk) 13:29, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Michigan's Autobahn

"I-696 is occasionally referred to as "Michigan's Autobahn", by locals." I've never heard I-696 called this before. Where is this fact being obtained from? This doesn't seem relavent to the article at all. --Metallikop 18:16, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree, so I removed it. I've heard people make similar remarks, but it's probably not important to the article. If someone wants to find a source to back up a statement about the speed and/or lack of safety of driving there, that would be much more useful. - Taxman ^Talk 19:12, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

But you're both wrong. It is referred to by many locals as Detroit's autobahn. Google turns up many references including in this Edmund's review from 1999. http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpcontainers/do/vdp/articleId=44033/pageNumber=7

Tunnels

The three tunnels referred to in the text are not technically tunnels. They are conventional bridges that support parks and other “green space”. They are part of reclamation to the Orthodox Jewish community in Oak Park that was split apart when this part of I-696 was constructed in the 80’s (see http://www.environment.fhwa.dot.gov/histpres/highways_list.asp, go to Michigan, I-696). These structures are denoted as plazas according to the Michigan Department of Transportation (http://www.michigan.gov/documents/mdot_Report44_BridgesCulvertsGradeSep_79015_7.pdf, see Z01, Z02 and Z03-63102). Here is link a nice aerial photograph of the area http://terraserver-usa.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=11&Z=17&X=798&Y=11762&W=3&qs=%7cwarren%7cmi%7c. MichSt 01:49, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

New Images uploaded

Because apparently, I was not the only one not seeing the big versions of the I-696 shield, I uploaded a new version of the I-696.svg created using Inkscape and the lastest 3di template. It seems to work correctly for me now. Please tell me if you have problems -- KelleyCook 17:45, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

For historical purposes, I uploaded a photo of a Southfield section of I-696 as it existed in 1988, just prior to its completion. Witzlaw (talk) 05:52, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Exit List

Hmm I spy an article with no exit list. I think I should let everybody know hmm what an idea. --Mihsfbstadium 21:00, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Resolved

August 10, 2007. --Thomprod (talk) 13:16, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Flammable Cargo

What about the prohibition on explosive/flammable/hazardous cargo in the middle section? There was also the campfire some kids set under one of the plazas. MMetro 04:11, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

The hazardous cargo ban is mentioned in the Route Description section. --Thomprod (talk) 13:19, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

I-98 as the old I-696

Regarding citation 15, the road marked 98 looks to be on what is now 8 mile road, not I-696, which is between 10 and 11 mile road. It's not clear either that 98 was planned to be an interstate number. 68.41.125.7 (talk) 23:17, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

The map only showed "Recommended Interstate Route Numbering for Michigan", so yes, it would have been I-98. The locations were approximations as what is now I-275 was originally planned closer to Telegraph Road, and what is now I-696 was shifted northward to satisfy the various municipalities along the route. Imzadi 1979 → 03:45, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

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Capitalization issues

The name of the body that writes laws for the state of Michigan is the "Michigan Legislature"; that body has no other official name. Therefore, the proper name is in use in the article, and it should be capitalized.

There is a difference in meaning between "Interstate Highway" and "interstate highway". The former is a component of the Dwight D. Eisenhower National System of Interstate and Defense Highways, also called the Interstate Highway System. The latter term refers to a highway that crosses state lines. I-696 is an Interstate Highway, but it is not an interstate highway; it does not leave the state of Michigan. Additionally, U.S. Route 24 is an interstate highway; it runs from Colorado to Michigan through five other states along the way.

Based on these rationales, I have restored the correct capitalization again. Imzadi 1979 → 15:51, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Hello Imzadi1979, and thanks for posting here. I agree that the name of the legislative body would be capitalized. I just didn't see the use in that sentence as titular, but my view there is debatable. However it is clear that "Interstate Highway" is incorrectly capitalized in the instance at issue, as the use is not titular. If you look through the article you link above, Interstate Highway System (capitalized because it is the name of the system), you will see that the term "interstate highway" appears multiple times in lowercase, correctly, because it is being used as a general term, and not a name. The article is inconsistent in this, as it also improperly capitalizes the term in several places. As an example of the difference in usage, here is a sentence that demonstrates what should and should not be capitalized: We are discussing Interstate 696, an interstate highway that is part of the Interstate Highway System. Just so you know, I'm not advancing some radical new style theory here; I'm an experienced copyeditor, and when in doubt, I consult references. A few links: AHD, M-W, Vocabulary.com, Dictionary.com (note their note), Wiktionary. I'll leave it to you to reconsider the capitalization. Eric ^talk 17:13, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

@Eric: They are two different things

A: Interstate Highway: a highway that is part of the Interstate Highway System

B: interstate highway: a highway that goes between states

I-696 meets the definition of A but not B. Needforspeed888 (talk) 17:06, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

I understand your point, but I disagree about the capitalization. I guess I'm not getting my point across. Eric ^talk 17:10, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

@Eric: Would we say there was an "army-navy game" a few days ago? Needforspeed888 (talk) 17:33, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Of course not. Neither would we write Route 6 is a U.S. Highway. Eric ^talk 17:39, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Actually, we would if you mean U.S. Route 6. Any highway in the United States could be correctly described as a "US highway". There is the United States Numbered Highway System, a.k.a. the U.S. Highway System, and its components are called "US Highways". To resolve the ambiguity between general geographic location and membership in a specific system, the second word has been typically capitalized in highway articles. The same holds for the distinction between an "Interstate Highway" and an "interstate highway". As Needforspeed888 notes, I-696 is the former and not the latter. Imzadi 1979 → 18:07, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

As I said, I'm not getting my point across. And apparently neither are the dictionaries. It's ok. Eric ^talk 18:17, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Because on a technical/subject matter level, they are incorrect. --Rschen7754 20:26, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

No doubt the professional editors of those reference works would be delighted to have Wikipedians enlighten them. Eric ^talk 21:58, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

"Mixing Bowl Interchange": Are there two of them on I-696?

I'm entirely unfamiliar with the freeways in the Detroit area. But I wonder: Are there two different interchanges along I-696 that are called "Mixing Bowl"? There is definitely one in Southfield that connects with Michigan 10 and US 24 -- that one is confirmed by Reference 6, "Michigan Infrastructure and Transportation Association (Summer 2007)." But there is another complex interchange, several miles away, that includes the west end of I-696. The satellite photo of that one has a filename of Mixing Bowl Interchange (Novi, Michigan).png

Drivers going through complex interchanges must be very careful even if familiar, and the first few trips can be especially difficult. Names like "mixing bowl" and "maze" are appropriate. I am familiar with the complex network in Oakland and Emeryville, CA, which connects I-80, I-580, I-880, I-980, and Calif. State Route 24. The term MacArthur Maze now usually excludes the eastern portion of the complex, which connects I-580, I-980 and Calif. 24, although a reference cited in the Wikipedia article refers to that portion. So different people can use the same term to refer to different items. Oaklandguy (talk) 07:48, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

The interchange between I-96, I-275, I-696 and M-5 is the "Spaghetti Bowl", while the one between I-696, US 24 and M-10 is the "Mixing Bowl". Once in a while, the latter name is applied to the former interchange, but they have separate names. Imzadi 1979 → 13:07, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. Wikipedia has an article, Spaghetti junction. If you can find a suitable reference, you could add the Spaghetti Bowl name to the article (on I-696), with a link to the article "Spaghetti junction." If you can't find the suitable reference -- if it's just something you know -- IMO, adding the name would help the article, even though it would be a mild violation of official Wikipedia procedures. Having done so, you could even edit the Spaghetti junction article, to provide a link to the I-696 article. (Wikipedia has a title "Spaghetti Bowl (transportation)", but that's just a redirect.)

I think someone figured out how to remove the "Mixing Bowl" name from the photo of your Spaghetti Bowl. If so, whoever did that, thanks! Oaklandguy (talk) 05:52, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Yes indeed! The filename now is "File:Spaghetti_Bowl_Interchange_(Novi,_Michigan).png" Thanks! Oaklandguy (talk) 06:08, 28 December 2019 (UTC)