Talk:Ioan Gruffudd

Pronunciation

Doesn't two D's pronounce as "th" in Welsh? --RaphaelBriand (talk) 20:38, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure. The International Phonetic Alphabet transcription was inserted by an editor who presumably knew what he was doing, and he used the "ð" symbol ("dh") rather than "ɵ" ("th") to represent the pronunciation of the Welsh "dd". A Welsh speaker familiar with IPA will have to confirm this. — Cheers, JackLee ^–talk– 03:11, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

The "ð" character yodh is a "th" English sound, but the voiced "th" as in the and this. Hope that helps. --Aunt Entropy (talk) 04:17, 17 May 2008 (UTC)..

Recent edits: "Personal life" section

Hi, 141.151.185.8. I've partially reverted some of your recent edits for the following reasons:

• The references cited for Gruffudd's involvement with the London Church of Christ ([1], [2]) state that the church was regarded as controversial and that his mother came to London to help him "sort [his] head out", but says nothing about Gruffudd having denounced it as a cult. The last bit is therefore unreferenced and should not be stated in the article.

He did describe it as a cult in a previous article from the Times but this is not available online.

Can you provide citation information for the Times article (author and title of article, date of issue, page number) so that readers who wish to verify this point can do so? If so, the information can be inserted. Otherwise, it remains an unreferenced controversial point and should not be included in the article: see "Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons". — Cheers, Truth's Out There ^–talk– 11:55, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

• It's more appropriate for the "Personal life" section to appear below the "Selected work" section. Gruffudd is an actor; his work is more important than his personal life.

This is just weird. No other actor's page is formatted this way. It looks like you're trying to hide information.

I'm afraid I disagree. There's no specific guideline at "Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies)" on where "Personal life" information should appear in biographical articles, and it is appropriate for such information to be given less prominence than an actor's work. Perhaps this is an issue that deserves more discussion over at the talk page of "Manual of Style (biographies)". Feel free to initiate a discussion there. — Cheers, Truth's Out There ^–talk– 11:55, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

• The information about Gruffudd having a black eye ("In April 2008, Gruffudd was seen sporting a black eye. [3] At the Welsh Baftas later that month, Gruffudd confirmed that the injury was caused by Evans accidentally hitting him with a golf club. [4]") is, in my view, trivial and non-encyclopedic. Just because it was reported in the press doesn't mean it's suitable for inclusion in the article. If the black eye had been for some more significant reason (e.g., Gruffudd had sustained it rescuing a young girl from a burning building, or had been involved in a fight), perhaps it might merit mention. Here, it was a pure accident.

Most of the information on here is trivial - why did you single this out?

Not all the information is trivial, though some of it may be. I think the fact that Gruffudd is married to the actress Alice Evans and that they live in the US is not trivial. The fact that Gruffudd and Matthew Rhys is borderline trivial, but justified because Rhys is a well-known actor in his own right. However, I agree that the information about Gruffudd ceasing funding for the fan-site IoanOnline.com is trivial. However, following a discussion about this issue on the talk page (see "Talk:Ioan Gruffudd/Archive: IoanOnline.com controversy"), it was decided that the information should stay. The information about Gruffudd's black eye is trivial for the reasons I mentioned in my first posting. If you disagree, I suggest you explain why you think it's not trivial. Hopefully other editors will join the discussion so consensus can be reached on the issue. — Cheers, Truth's Out There ^–talk– 11:55, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

If you disagree, I suggest we discuss the matter here on the talk page and get the views of other editors working on the article to get a consensus on the matter. — Cheers, Truth's Out There ^–talk– 14:18, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Define 'consensus'? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.115.13.94 (talk • contribs) 16:06, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

See "Wikipedia:Consensus". — Cheers, Truth's Out There ^–talk– 11:55, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Parents name Griffiths

Hello, Ioan Gruffudd's father was headmaster at 2 of South Wales largest Welsh comprehensive schools. Not at the same time... lol. His name is Mr Peter Griffiths. I cannot explain 100% why his son is named Gruffudd but Gruffudd is the Welsh way of spelling Griffiths or rather Grithiffs is an English adaption of gruffudd. Sometimes in Wales, welsh speaking parents revert their names to the Welsh version for their children. Children don't have to carry their parents surname! Harris578 (talk) 10:27, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

It's not unusual for people to adopt Welsh forms of their names, even if they weren't the forms on their birth certificates. My dad was "Gwilym" throughout his life, even though his birth certificate said "William", and it's certainly not unusual for people in the media to Cymricise their surnames, e.g. Pyrs = Pierce, Ifans = Evans -- Arwel (talk) 22:33, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for including a reference that confirms this fact. I've added another one that I found on the BBC Wales website – the title of the webpage, "Derbyn Ioan i'r Orsedd", is in Welsh, so if you can provide an English translation that would be great. — Cheers, Truth's Out There ^–talk– 10:45, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Translated literally it is Ioan received to the Throne but it is more on the lines of Ioan ordained to the Throne or Ioan given his Throne Harris578 (talk) 11:19, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

While "Throne" is one of the meanings of Gorsedd, in this context it refers to Gorsedd Beirdd Ynys Prydain, the Gorsedd of Bards of the Isle of Britain, the highest body in Welsh culture. A strict translation of the article would be:

Last updated: Monday 4 August 2003, 11:02 GMT, 12:02 UK

Ioan received into the Gorsedd

Ioan Gruffudd was made a member of the Gorsedd on Monday morning.

The 29 year old actor was received into the Gorsedd for his contributions to Welsh language and culture, and he received the White Robes (=the rank of druid, the highest of the three ranks of membership of the Gorsedd).

The ceremony was held in the Gorsedd Circle in Severn Street, Welshpool.

Ioan Gruffudd was the last of the crew to be inducted on Monday.

"I hope that I will have raised the consciousness of Welsh culture in the eyes of the world", he said.

Originally he was to have been made a member on Friday, together with other individuals who are being honoured for their contributions to the language and culture of Wales.

But he was made a member on Monday with those who had passed the Gorsedd examinations with grades in Music or Welsh language, and winners of the major competitions at the St Davids' National Eisteddfod.

Busy

Ioan is busy working on a film in Ireland.

As the filming timetable is tight, it was necessary for him to come to the Eisteddfod on the Monday rather than the Friday.

He's playing the part of Lancelot in the Disney film King Arthur.

As he was being made a member by the Archdruid Robyn Llyn, he said that "Ioan" would be his name in the Gorsedd.

The Archdruid said amidst laughter that he would have expected him to choose the name "Cornchwythwr" (= Hornblower) in reference to the Hornblower film in which Ioan acted.

"I would hope that every Welshman or Welshwoman who reaches Hollywood is a patriot, as you are a patriot" said Robyn Llyn as he made him a member.

"And remember, if you play the part of James Bond, he will also be a patriot," he said.

Grateful

Ioan was exceptionally glad when he learned he was to be made a member of the Gorsedd.

"Naturally, I was excited and feeling especially grateful to receive the honour, and I was on top of the world."

"I am currently working in Dublin on a film for Disney, and I'll be there until the autumn."

"It's a Bank Holiday Monday in Ireland today, and that's how I was able to come here", he said.

Ioan was in the pavillion on the Maes (= Eisteddfod field, site) before the ceremony, being robed.

"The robes are remarkably comfortable.

"But people have told me that when I go onto the platform sometime during the ceremonies, then I shouldn't wear much under the robes, otherwise it can be very hot under the lights."

Ioan's parents and girlfriend were at the ceremony.

"It was nice seeing so many people being honoured, and I'm glad that Ioan is one of them," said Peter Griffiths, his father.

Honour

"It's a great honour, and he is feeling humble."

"He is comparatively young, and therefore I hope that he will be deserving of this thing."

"It's important to recognise young people in every field, and I hope that Ioan will be leading these young people." he said.

Ioan's girlfriend, Alice Evans, marvelled at the ceremony.

"It was incredible, and very impressive, but unfortunately I didn't understand a word."

"There is a strong feeling amongst the Welsh and of belonging to Wales, and this was splendid." she said.

She said that she is preparing to learn Welsh, and that Ioan's parents are lending tapes to her.

"Perhaps within a few years I will be able to speak the language", she said.

-- Arwel (talk) 22:33, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Fascinating! I've updated the translation of the article title. Thanks, Arwel. — Cheers, Truth's Out There ^–talk– 16:38, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Cheers Arwel. My efforts are amateur in comparison.  ;) Harris578 (talk) 21:12, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh, it helps if you download the entire Geiriadur Prifysgol Cymru in 10 PDF files to help with the difficult words! (Though you do have to know how to figure out the radical form of a word, so you're looking in the right PDF file!) -- Arwel (talk) 19:48, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Diolch. Rwyf wedi bod yn edrych am Geiriadur Cymraeg ar y We. Handy iawn. Harris578 (talk) 20:14, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Just noticed that footnote 16 contains another Welsh article title: "Eisteddfod hapus!". I think Eisteddfod is well known enough, but what does hapus mean? — Cheers, Truth's Out There ^–talk– 16:22, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Hapus means Happy :) So Eisteddfod Hapus! = Happy Eisteddfod! Like you are wishing someone to have an Happy Eisteddfod, the words in Welsh sentences are usually back to front from the English. Harris578 (talk) 18:42, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Cool. I've updated the article. — Cheers, Truth's Out There ^–talk– 18:57, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Anytime. Thanks for helping with the references. Harris578 (talk) 20:08, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Pronunciation

We have [ˈjo.æn ˈɡrɪfɪð] - but Welsh does not have /æ/ - shouldn't this be /a/? Lfh (talk) 16:36, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

The audio says [ɪ.wan], which is approximately i-wan, but the current IPA [ˈjo.an] is more yo-wan. I am not an expert in IPA or Welsh so I'm trying to verify.

Television Shows

The link for his new show, FOREVER, is going to a different show's entry. Is there one for the new show?

IMDB

ABC — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:B:8380:2E1:541:9246:2628:7E49 (talk) 02:34, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

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