Talk:Ionic liquids in carbon capture

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Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment

This article is or was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Tressamikel, Gokulramadoss, Josejimenez17, Swifter78neo. Peer reviewers: Meghnar11, Lstrong8522, Jeremy.lan, Zhihongli.

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Spring 2017 CBE 195

Hi, we are part of a UC Berkeley Carbon Capture & Sequestration (CBE 195) class. Our group is choosing to edit the Ionic Liquids in Carbon Capture wikipedia page. We immediately noticed that this page was lacking in a solid introduction, a history section, enough references, there are no drawbacks of the technology (making it seem biased towards favoring ionic liquids over amines), lacked any mention of environmental impacts of use, and doesn’t provide many examples of commercial application. Our group would like to improve this web page by gathering articles in this area and introducing new sections about the history, commercial applications, as well as a drawbacks and benefits section. This will allow the reader to gain a more comprehensive view of ionic liquids as they pertain to carbon capture. We would like use information from the following references to achieve this.

Proposed New Sections:
-history section*
-benefits and drawbacks section: solubility, greenness, viscosity, etc
-commercial / commercially used examples section: table of ionic liquid, who developed it, who’s using it

Josejimenez17 (talk)
Tressamikel (talk)
Gokulramadoss (talk)
Swifter78neo (talk) 20:44, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

@Josejimenez17, Tressamikel, Gokulramadoss, and Swifter78neo: The article concept looks pretty artificial to me, and I have wondered why it even exists. In any case, sources should follow this guideline WP:SECONDARY. Please do not use the article to advocate for technologies you wish were realistic. Also be aware of WP:NOTTEXTBOOK - dont try to teach the readers. Just the facts, writ large. Homework assignments are routinely removed from Wikipedia because they are often substandard --Smokefoot (talk) 13:41, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

I've added a solvent optimization section, part of which I believe makes the tunability section redundant. Is it okay to delete it or otherwise consolidate/merge the two? Gokulramadoss (talk) 20:33, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Spring 2016 CBE 195

Hey Brandon this is for the peer edit portion. The article is comprehensive on the benefits of ionic solvents for carbon capture, albeit a bit one-sided in that regard. The picture of the molecule 1-Butyl-3-methylimidazolium hexafluorophosphate serves a good purpose and was an excellent inclusion. The article is generally well-written, however there exist a few caveats. First, the article appears to be under-referenced. For multiple paragraphs it seems as though there should be more than 4 references. Certain portions of the article, such as the ones dictating how IMF’s make ionic liquids very good solvents for CO2 capture, would make a good place for a reference. Furthermore, the article could be more comprehensive in terms of drawbacks to ionic fluids. There is no source that speaks directly to their drawbacks. It seems counterintuitive to the Wikipedia message of providing unbiased information to not include any discussion of the drawbacks of the technology. The article as it stands is decidedly one-sided. Overall, the article was a good read and very informative with interspersed insight. Keep at it! Zhbsarwar (talk) 05:16, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi Brandon, this is for the peer edit portion of the assignment. I thought your article was great, but I think it'd be cool to maybe read about some of the comparisons about the heat duty or how the rich solvent/lean solvent loading capacities compare to amines. Although I don't know if any research has been done for that yet. Also, the tunability of ionic liquids seem particularly interesting. It'd be nice to give a couple examples of how changing these lengths or radicals affects the performance maybe. Great job! :) (Sophia.chu007 (talk) 01:34, 30 April 2016 (UTC))

Hey Sophia, thank you for your suggestion! I definitely want to expand on the tunability aspect for my final draft. My group and I will look for some more references. --Brandon5485 05:08, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi Brandon, your Wiki page looks awesome and I really like that this reads so well. All the content seems awesome and I was wondering if you had thought about including an example calculation for an application of a CCS project or maybe discussing some current CCS projects that use IL's? Jimiaxplyr (talk) 04:03, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the suggestion. I couldn't find any current CCS projects using ionic liquids, but it might be useful to try to look for some data on the parasitic energy and cost of ionic liquids to get a better idea of its viability and how much more development is required. --Brandon5485 05:08, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi Brandon. The article looks really organized to me. It gives me what main points of your topics you will be focus to write on. The way you linked some technical terms to a corresponding wiki page makes it easier for readers to follow because they can have a quick definition of technical terms. You haven't focused in-depth on how to apply the method for CCS, however, your first draft gives me a clear explanation about Ionic Liquids and how it is applied in industries. There is also a nice picture for explanations. Minhtrang 92 (talk) 06:59, 30 April 2016 (UTC) --

Brandon, it reads like a homework assignment by bright kids who are doing what they are told and being reinforced by fellow students! --Smokefoot (talk) 13:44, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi Brandon et al, this is for the peer edit portion of the assignment. Overall, the article looks really well organized. I've noticed there are some superfluous sentences (for example, the 'designer liquids' comment that I believe doesn't contribute to overall understanding of the topic and is the main piece that stands out). I also feel that the Proposed Industrial Applications has information that is somewhat repeated or would fit better under the 'Carbon Capture using adsorption.' Overall, however, I feel the article is fairly comprehensive on the topics you've brought forth. -- Lstrong8522 (talk) 04:17, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Peer Review by Zhihong Li ( CBE 195)

In the "ionic Liquid as Solvents" part, using Amines as a contrast is good. I think this part should also introduce some ionic liquid, so that other people can understand it fully. Also, I recommend that Chemical Equation as well as mechanism should be included. Specifically, drawing how the mechanism works. Zhihongli (talk) 22:20, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your input! We did consider discussing examples of ionic liquids as you mentioned, and it might be something worth adding in the future as well. Gokulramadoss (talk) 05:01, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Peer Review by Jeremy Lan (CBE 195)

Hi group! This article is very thorough and gives an excellent overview regarding the use of ionic liquids in carbon capture. There is a lot of information about the drawbacks and tunability of IL for use in CCS, but some more thorough description could be helpful. Specifically, I could see some more details explaining why specifically IL is effective for CCS. The chemistry is not too clearly explained, and there is no additional information in the main "ionic liquids" page that explains why IL is a good solvent for CO2. Additionally, if there are any current projects using IL, it would be nice to include those. A PFD for the IL-absorption CCS process would also be helpful!

There is also a slight error in the Selectivity tab: "the solubility of CO2 decreases", the 2 should be a subscript. Overall this is a great article! thanks! -Jeremy Lan Jeremy.lan (talk) 19:59, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Jeremy, and great catch on the 2! Gokulramadoss (talk) 05:01, 6 May 2017 (UTC)