Talk:Irenwee language

Michigan and Mississippi

Please see my comments regarding loanwords on Talk:List of English words of Algonquian origin#Michigan and Mississippi. --Theodore Kloba July 5, 2005 19:52 (UTC)

Merge

This seems to be exactly the same as Miami language. Shouldn't the articles be merged? --Gareth Hughes 19:30, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Though granted I'm not a professional linguist, I had never even heard of Illinois as a separate language from Miami. It seems that they're part of the same dialect continuum, so I definitely vote for combining the articles into a Miami-Illinois language article. -- Ryan Denzer-King 12:01, 30 August 2006 (EST)

If it is merged you must be careful as to how it is done... many things parallel in these two languages but the cultures were somewhat different and the modern day members of these tribes are separate-- each with their own divisions and indiocyncracies. Out of respect to them the merger should only be done after consulting the heads of these tribal communities.

A merger should not be up to us, it should be up to the tribal chiefs and their communities.

Article name

Given that the name normally applied to the language is "Miami-Illinois" (as shown, for example, in the title of Costa's book), and given that it seems somewhat biased or POV to have Miami language redirect here, rather than having both Miami language and Illinois language redirect to Miami-Illinois language...I'd suggest that the page be moved. Is anyone opposed? --Miskwito 04:32, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Doesn't look like it so far. I'm going to be bold and go ahead and move them. We can always discuss it if objections come up at some point. --Miskwito 07:31, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Name needs to be fixed.

"unilateral" is not "wrong". See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (languages), and there's no ambiguity at this title. -- JHunterJ (talk) 21:20, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Overblown estimates of language use

Claims that there are "500 L1 and L2 speakers" of Myaamia are simply false. 500 people "who use a few words a day" is not the definition of L2 usage. Millions of people use a word or two of Latin everyday, but that doesn't make them L2 speakers. L2 means that one is conversant in a second language. L2 means that one can carry on a conversation in a second language or read connected text in that language. L1 means that a person learns a language as the first language as an infant. Baldwin's children may very well have learned Myaamia as a first language, but they were also learning English at the same time. Because language revitalization programs often overestimate their actual results and inflate the number of people that actually know of the language ("because it's in their blood") to any extant that meets the definition of L2, it is better to leave these numbers as vague. Indeed, none of the sources cited to verify language status meets the standard of a Wikipedia reliable source. None are peer-reviewed academic works published by a university press. They are press releases written by non-linguists based on interviews with non-neutral parties. --Taivo (talk) 08:10, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Why was the page title changed?

"Irenwee" seems to be an odd choice of name for this language. I haven't found any examples of the language being called this in English. The most I see is the claim that Irenwee refers to the Illinois dialect specifically, rather than the language as a whole, and that it has such meaning in myaamia rather than English. I've had the opportunity to speak with some speakers of the language, and when referring to it in English, they have consistently used myaamia, Miami-Illinois, or occasionally myaamiaataweenki. I've only read a couple formal articles relating to the language but I believe they used Miami-Illinois, perhaps stemming from Costa. Without better reason to use "Irenwee", I suggest that this page be moved back to "Miami-Illinois language", or maybe "Miami-Illinois" (since this only refers to the language and not an ethnic group to my knowledge). Alternatively, if there is good evidence that Irenwee is the best name used in English speech, the article body should be updated to reflect that. Eiim (talk) 05:23, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Indeed, there is no such name as 'Irenwee', and the language has never been called 'Irenwee'. The page title should be changed back to "Miami-Illinois" or "Miami-Illinois Language" ASAP. 2603:6010:E700:11D5:891A:7A4C:A483:AED1 (talk) 20:18, 9 November 2024 (UTC)