Talk:Irish car bomb (cocktail)

Atlanta

Is this really pertinent to the article? How is it just Atlanta? I'm sure this could be rephrased to be a bit more accurate. (unsigned comment)

In certain drinking establishments in Atlanta, Georgia, the Irish carbomb is made with 1 pint og Guinness and 1 shot of Jameson's, which is lit on fire. The lit shot is dropped into the pint of Guinness, and you do not put your glass down until the entire pint is consumed. 208.252.49.130 17:02, 3 November 2006 (UTC) badfishstan

If you remove the comment about Atlanta, then you reduce the accuracy. If you remove the entire statement, you remove information on a variation of making a carbomb. Seemms to be a good regional variation. Further elaboration should be made to include other cities/regions that use this method. 71.199.128.182 18:34, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

You can't light Jameson's on fire. It's not high enough proof. (unsigned comment)

What kind of watered down swill are you calling Jameson?!? Jameson is 80 proof, and can definitely be set on fire... -- MyrddinEmrys 07:34, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Curdling

"Irish Cream does not curdle as the protein has been removed" was added following the statement that the drink must be consumed quickly to avoid curdling. The curdling note is cited with the entry at http://www.cocktail.com/recipes/i/IrishCarBomb.htm, of which it appears to be pretty much a direct cut and paste (not a good thing, either). Without something to support the non-curdling argument, I suppose I will leave it for now. If the person who submitted the edit can locate a reference to his/her claim, then I'd be much happier with that in there than something that might be taken directly from another site. As a side note, I've never noticed Irish Creme curdling in any drinks, but I certainly wouldn't base the article on my experiences. --Willscrlt 10:26, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

It will definitely curdle...if you make a carbomb w/ a half-pint of Guinness, with a 1/2 & 1/2 shot of Jameson's & Bailey's depth-charged, by time you chug the whole thing there will be a nasty residue in the glass. --JD79 14:10, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Originally the shot was slid into the Guinness to avoid the mess. Bartenders hate cleaning the glasses with the cream residue, it messes up the glass washer. However as all things bar oriented do the drink changed into an ugly looking drink due to drinkers desire to make things strong and competitive. We never raced with "Carbombs". We just drank them down and ordered another. The story below traces the history of this drink. If the powers that be choose to allow it to be included in Wikipedia, some day, people may know how to make the drink correctly. I have kept track of this drink since its inception. My goal is to have people enjoy the cocktail as it was originally created because it is far superior in taste to the Irish whiskey overpowered mess that it has morphed into. The CARBOMB: The Creation of An Historic Cocktail Charles Burke Cronin Oat Master of Mixology 1967- This incredibly tasty drink was invented in 1979 as a follow up to the shot which I created in 1977 on St. Patrick's Day.

Drink History

NOTE: Before you start; understand that this was a carefully thought out "Cocktail", a Recipe!!! To you naysayers on the Kahlua because it is not Irish.. remember a Margarita has Triple sec and it is French. The Carbomb is a recipe

Originally the shot was called a Grandfather- 1/2 oz. give or take of Baileys and 1/4 oz.or so of Kahlua The name Grandfather lasted through the first hour of its life and many, many toasts to our grandfathers were made. I put it together for my brothers who were visiting my pub, Wilson's Saloon, 76 Franklin St. Norwich, Ct. Est. 1886, that St. Patrick’s Day afternoon. Being St. Patrick’s Day heavy toasting was in order. However, after consuming a few "Grandfathers" along with Pints of Guinness, the true drink of “The Day”; we all realized something was missing. The taste was incredible!!! (Kahlua was key to this) but, couldn't quite get the buzz going. I knew immediately what it was, and with a laugh at our stupidity, I yelled for a bottle of Jameson. As I poured the Jameson Irish whiskey into the shot of Baileys and Kahlua I commented that “the IRA just showed up. This oughta work now!” (As you add the Jameson to the Baileys and Kahlua, the shot boils up like an explosion, hence the IRA.) Others at the bar joined in to the toasting , “Give us some of those IRA shots they’re drinking ” was the call up and down the bar. And the name Grandfather disappeared and the IRA was born.(In its early days the use of Scotch and American whiskeys was used in place of Jameson throughout the area, because so very few establishments had an Irish Whiskey. An ugly thought.} Two years later, drinking IRAs and Guinness with my manager, I got the crazy idea as we were toasting to drop the shot in my half finished Guinness. The look in his eyes as I held the shot over the Guinness said it all. "Bombs Away " was the call. I called it the Belfast Carbomb, Irish Carbomb in other company, and “Carbomb?” when we were looking for a fellow reprobate to join us in celebrating the fact that we had survived another day. The drink languished in Ct. and was slowly spread across America by the many Navy personnel who frequented Wilson's Saloon. World renown for this drink did not come until many years later. The marketing blitz by the Guinness corporation late 80's early 90's got things rolling. The popularity explosion of Guinness in America that resulted made all things created with Guinness popular too. The Carbomb is fun to drink, tastes great, women love them equally as well as men( when they are made correctly)!

A final note: If you invent a drink such as the Carbomb, as I did so long ago, beware! You never know if it might become famous, so pick the name carefully. IRA and Carbomb are "cool" in the bar scene, but in the reality of today NOT. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pouringpro (talk • contribs) 17:22, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

500lb Car Bomb

Er, isn't the 'garage' part of this entry basically a horrendously bad joke about the Gibraltar shootings? Bamboo marimba (talk) 13:01, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

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Expanded Version

I'm about to drop in an expanded version of this article that includes the original text. I tried to pick the best sources for some of this stuff, but for mixed drinks, the choices aren't always the best. I will continue to try to improve the sources as best I can. I also created a redirect from Car Bomb (beer cocktail) to here, though really that should be the article, and this should be the redirect (in my opinion). --Transity ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:12, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was moved to "Irish Car Bomb" —harej (talk) (cool!) 06:01, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

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Carbomb (beer cocktail) → Carbomb (cocktail) — This should be uncontroversial, but of course nothing ever is. No need to further disambiguate from (cocktail) when that page already redirects here; disambiguation is not the Dewey Decimal System, and we need only disambiguate as far as is required to make a title unique. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 01:43, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I support this. Mintrick (talk) 02:10, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

• I support the idea, but I oppose the target name. This drink is most often known as an Irish Car Bomb - not a Car Bomb, or a Carbomb (the latter of which isn't even a word). I'm basing this opinion on the references I've seen to it all over the internet, as well as my personal (ahem) experience with the drink. So yes, let's move it, but let's move it to Irish Car Bomb. That should take care of the concerns stated above, as well as correcting the name, without stepping on past disputes over the qualifiers "cocktail" versus "beer cocktail" versus "beer mix," etc. I don't know how the massive list of redirects that point to this article were called into existence, but the move we should make is Carbomb (beer cocktail) → Irish Car Bomb. --Transity ^{(talk • contribs)} 02:21, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

  I'm fine with that if that's the consensus. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 12:11, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

• Conditional support to "Irish Car Bomb" per Transity. — ^{\`</sup>CRAZY`(lN)`SANE<sup>`/} (talk • contribs) 03:09, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
• To Irish Car Bomb (cocktail)? To me Irish Car Bomb without disambiguator means the explosive device, not the drink. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 10:11, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

  Erm, what? There's no such explosive device as an "Irish Car Bomb", thankfully. — ^{\`</sup>CRAZY`(lN)`SANE<sup>`/} (talk • contribs) 10:24, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

  Indeed. Again, we don't prematurely disambiguate. If clarification is needed there (and it shouldn't be, because the proper name "Irish Car Bomb" unambiguously refers to a drink) then we can just add a hatnote. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 13:31, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

• I support moving to Irish Car Bomb. "car bomb" is correctly spelled as two words, regardless whether it's a cocktail or a bomb.Wahrmund (talk) 18:08, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

• Support a move to Irish Car Bomb (without a disambiguator) per User:Transity and User:CrazyInSane. — AjaxSmack 04:43, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
• Support move to Irish Car Bomb (without a disambiguator) per above. It's the most common name for this beverage, which by the way is, IMHO, a terrible waste of two perfectly heavenly beverages: Guinness and Irish Whiskey, each of which should be savored separately. But that's just me... Geoff ^{T C} 19:41, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
• Very strong oppose Irish Car Bomb. I immediately think of an explosive device, not a cocktail. Aubergine (talk) 03:48, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

  As noted above, there is no explosive device known as an Irish Car Bomb. Any confusion (doubtful it would be significant) is easily solved with a hatnote directing people to Car bomb or Car bomb (disambiguation). Bottom line: this is the name of the drink, and not of any explosive devices at all. The reason it makes you think of an explosive device is because it was named for the violent use of car bombs in Ireland. Of course it evokes that image, but it's quite simply not using the name of any explosive device. The name Black Russian might sound like a dark-skinned person from Eastern Europe, but since the only recognized definition of the moniker belongs to a cocktail, we don't prematurely disambiguate it. The same goes for a Long Island Iced Tea, which could conjure up thoughts of a refreshing, steeped beverage served by grandmothers in Oyster Bay. Or a Moscow Mule. --Transity ^{(talk • contribs)} 04:33, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

• Sex on the Beach, slippery nipple... who knew that cocktails had names with other connotations? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:55, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

• I would like a redheaded slut please. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 01:08, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

• Support moving to Irish Car Bomb per Transity. That's the common name, and there are no other meanings that need disambiguating. Jafeluv (talk) 10:25, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
• Support - I agree with the nom, and the note on the name --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 01:10, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

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Fact tagging and deletions

If you want to discuss something, then by all means let's do so. I'm happy to discuss improving references where needed. I certainly can't argue with the refimprove tag (the lack of solid sources is one reason I stopped expanding drink-related stubs, so I get it), but some of the other tags and removals just don't make sense in my opinion. Especially when all I have on your rationale is an edit summary. If we have a difference of opinion, let's work it out here. Make sense? --Transity ^{(talk • contribs)} 02:57, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Boilermaker

Yes, Boilermaker (beer cocktail) says: "Generally speaking, the Boilermaker is merely a glass of beer with a shot of whiskey served on the side. The shot goes down in one, and the beer follows, being sipped rather than quickly downed." It does make that general statement. It also says: "Traditionally, the shot and the beer are served separately, but some drinkers prefer to have them mixed." And: "The liquor and beer may be mixed by pouring or dropping the shot into the beer. The mixture may be stirred, if desired."

Further, here's an excerpt from The Ultimate Bar Book on boilermakers:

"Drink down the shot of whiskey, and immediately drink the beer as a chaser. Or drop the whiskey-filled shot glass into a mug of beer and drink it down."

I think this makes it very clear that any of the options above (and then some) are possible for boilermakers. If you want to discuss, please do so here. Otherwise, let's change the wording back, in keeping with the existing article and this reference. -- Transity^{(talk • contribs)} 23:54, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

I added that ref to the boilermaker article. Here's the text I'd like to add back here:

"An Irish Car Bomb is a beer cocktail and a variation of boilermaker made with stout, Irish Cream , and Irish whiskey." -- Transity^{(talk • contribs)} 00:13, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Just because you might drop the shot in, doesn't make it anything to do with a boilermaker. Why not also say it's a variation of a Dr. Pepper? And a Lunch Pail? And an Irish Joe? There are dozens and dozens of beer cocktails and hundreds of drop-shot cocktails. This one has it's own history completely separate from a boilermaker. Do you say that any cocktail served in stemware with gin in it is a variation on a Martini? It's just not logically correct to say "you drop the shot into a boilermaker, which also has beer, thus this is a version of it". Especially since it's generally called a "Depth Charge" if you drop the shot in.Italydiplo (talk) 03:43, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

That's not what I'm saying at all. A boilermaker is, according to the boilermaker article and everything I've ever heard, a type of drink, not a single drink recipe. Saying that an Irish Car Bomb is a type of boilermaker is like saying that Coke is a type of Cola. That's the analogy here, and the ref I provided bears that out.

Why can't we say it's a variation of a Dr. Pepper? For two reasons. First, there are no reliable sources that make that claim (there, of course, is a reliable source making the claim that a drop shot is a type of boilermaker). Second, because common sense tells us that that theory is not plausible. And as a note, I consider a Depth Charge to be a variation of a boilermaker as well (the ref would seem to bear this out as well).

How about this:

"An Irish Car Bomb is a beer cocktail similar to a boilermaker made with stout, Irish Cream , and Irish whiskey."

Does that make sense? -- Transity^{(talk • contribs)} 04:03, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, that text is much better, although I still think superfluous, but I don't mind it. However, the reference is totally unnecessary - there is already a link to the boilermaker page, which already lists hellmich as a reference, and this is a page about an Irish Car Bomb, not boilermakers. Is there anything in the book about Irish Car Bombs? There should however, be a reference to the actual recipe somewhere. Italydiplo (talk) 04:35, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

I'd like to keep the ref as this same issue comes up from time to time, and the ref would help answer it more definitively. Thanks. -- Transity^{(talk • contribs)} 16:04, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

1/2 pint VS 3/4 pint

The article lists 3/4 pint of stout as the more common variety, but this doesn't really seem to be supported. From my experiences, it was always 1/2 pint, with 3/4 being being just too much stout and effectively nullifying the taste of the other ingredients.

So I went looking on the net. A quick search on Google game me only one site that listed 3/4 pint, and manifold more listing 1/2.

Here:

3/4 http://www.drinksmixer.com/drink7774.html http://www.irishcarbomb.com/

1/2 http://www.wikihow.com/Make-an-Irish-Car-Bomb-Beer-Drink http://www.drinknation.com/drink/irish-car-bomb http://www.barmeister.com/drinks/recipe/797/ http://www.barnonedrinks.com/drinks/i/irish-carbomb-6990.html http://www.savoryreviews.com/2010/03/10/irish-car-bomb/ And then good ol' Urban Dictionary: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Irish+car+bomb

So, as it seems 1/2 is more commonly used, I've changed that bit of the article to reflect that. If the original recipe uses 3/4 pint, we can make a not of that in the article, but I think the "common ingredients" portion should have the, well, most commonly used ingredients...Sage of Ice (talk) 16:49, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Actually, it says on the article already that the original is 1/2 pint. Guess it's all good then!Sage of Ice (talk) 16:51, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Peacemaker?

At Trinity Hall in Dallas, they serve the drink under the name "Peacemaker," for what I'd assume are rather obvious reasons. Is this a common thing? If so, maybe it should be added to the article? I'm not doing it myself simply because one localized variant on the name doesn't really seem to deserve mention. If it's more than just Trinity Hall, though, it should be mentioned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.104.5.152 (talk) 14:22, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

American drink?

Reading between the lines of the article and the talk page, this is an exclusively American drink. I've certainly never heard of such a drink in the UK, and Irish friends haven't heard of it either. The name would be tasteless and offensive in both places for a number of reasons. If this drink is restricted to the US, the article should say so. --Ef80 (talk) 21:57, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

-It seems to be more well-known in Northern Ireland than in the Republic, I posted on my Facebook page "Just found out there's a drink called 'Irish Car Bomb'" and a friend from Northern Ireland said "LOL, it's really well-known up here" I'm from the Republic btw

The majority of Irish people don't find it offensive though, I mentioned it to a lot of other Irish people, both from the Republic and the North and their response was 'LOL' or 'Meh'. I've found most of the offense on-line came from American people who were 'This is offensive to the Irish!' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.44.76.131 (talk) 14:53, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

I've found it's mainly seen as a joke, as in "Can you believe Americans actually named a cocktail this?!". There's also the joke about the stereotypical American tourist in an Irish pub ordering the drink, with the bartender instead pouring vodka into two tall glasses, lighting them on fire, saying "We don't have an Irish Car Bomb, but here's a 9/11 for you" --109.158.211.109 (talk) 11:19, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

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Drink history First made in 1979. The story is below. As the the creator in 1979, I have followed the history of this drink since day one. The exact history of a drink so often is lost,so I have been documenting it. There is no denying that things sometimes happen simultaneously,in the case of the Carbomb this did not happen. To this day, the fact that Kahlua is not Irish leads people to believe that it does not belong in the drink, so many versions have resulted.As a professional mixologist(40 years),owner/operator of a nightclub and currently an instructor of Mixoloy(15 years) I am amazed. Although the Carbomb may be a "culture cocktail", not an elegant cocktail glass creation; The Original IS STILL A RECIPE! Recipes are created for a reason;Taste. The IRA shot is a wonderfully tasty concoction. Try leaving the Cointreau or triple sec out of a Margarita because its not from Mexico. The first formal story of the Carbomb was published nearly 20 years ago on a Canadian website, now called barnonedrinks.com Please enlighten me as to the rules of editing and submitting and I will be happy to follow them. Read this story before preparation: The CARBOMB: The Creation of An Historic Cocktail Charles Burke Cronin Oat Master of Mixology 1967-2008 This incredibly tasty drink was invented in 1979 as a follow up to the shot the IRA which I created in 1977 on St. Patrick's Day. Drink History NOTE: Before you start; understand that this was a carefully thought out "Cocktail", a Recipe!!! To you naysayers on the Kahlua because it is not Irish.. remember a Margarita has Cointreau and it is French. The Carbomb is a recipe, and a great tasting one. Originally the shot was called a Grandfather- 1/2 oz. give or take of Baileys and 1/4 oz.or so of Kahlua The name Grandfather lasted through the first hour of its life and many, many toasts to our grandfathers were made. I put it together for my brothers who were visiting my pub, Wilson's Saloon, 76 Franklin St. Norwich, Ct. Est. 1886, that St. Patrick’s Day afternoon. Being St. Patrick’s Day heavy toasting was in order. However, after consuming a few "Grandfathers" along with Pints of Guinness, the true drink of “The Day”; we all realized something was missing. The taste was incredible!!! (Kahlua was key to this) but, couldn't quite get the buzz going. I knew immediately what it was, and with a laugh at our stupidity, I yelled for a bottle of Jameson. As I poured the whiskey into the shot of Baileys and Kahlua I commented that “the IRA just showed up. This oughta work now!” (As you add the Jameson to the Baileys and Kahlua, the shot boils up like an explosion, hence the IRA.) Others at the bar joined in to the toasting , “Give us some of those IRA shots they’re drinking ” was the call up and down the bar. And the name Grandfather disappeared and the IRA was born.(In its early days the use of Scotch and American whiskeys was used in place of Jameson throughout the area, because so very few establishments had an Irish Whiskey. An ugly thought.} Two years later, drinking IRAs and Guinness with my manager, I got the crazy idea as we were toasting to drop the shot in my half finished Guinness. The look in his eyes as I held the shot over the Guinness said it all. "Bombs Away " was the call. We called it the Belfast Carbomb, Irish Carbomb in other company, and “Carbomb?” when we were looking for a fellow reprobate to join us in celebrating the fact that we had survived another day. The drink languished in Ct. and was slowly spread across America by the many Navy personnel who frequented Wilson's Saloon. World renown for this drink did not come until many years later. The marketing blitz by the Guinness corporation late 80's early 90's got things rolling. The popularity explosion of Guinness in America that resulted made all things created with Guinness popular too. The Carbomb is fun to drink, tastes great, women love them equally as well as men! A final note: If you invent a drink such as the Carbomb, as I did so long ago, beware! You never know if it might become famous, so pick the name carefully. IRA and Carbomb are "cool" in the bar scene, but in the reality of today NOT. Pouringpro: Pouringpro (talk) 00:10, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

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"Offensive"

Some citations, because apparently more are needed, that the name is regarded as offensive: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/17/irish-car-bomb-drink_n_2867367.html https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/mar/17/irish-car-bomb-st-patricks-day-bars http://www.dailyedge.ie/irish-car-bomb-cocktail-3110666-Nov2016/

Plenty more available upon request... Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 13:23, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Does any of those sources suggest or say that the qualifier "sometimes" should be removed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yes I'm Drunk (talk • contribs) 18:14, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Do any of them suggest the qualifier "sometimes" needs to be added?! (Hint: no.) Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 20:44, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

First off, how would that justify saying what you want the article to say? Second of all I think considering that 'Irish Car Bomb' is its official name the qualifier is justified.Yes I'm Drunk (talk) 18:28, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

In the Official Registry of Official Worldwide Cocktail Official Names? Multiple sources describe the name as offensive. QED. Stop edit warring. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 18:50, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Considering you have reverted something like 7 times in the space of 48 hours without a consensus you have no right to accuse me of edit warring. If multiple sources call it offensive then say multiple sources call it offensive. Also what does QED mean?Yes I'm Drunk (talk) 19:02, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

• Bastun is right. --John (talk) 19:28, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

A 2018 survey of more than 260 bartenders asked them if they thought less of customers after ordering certain drinks and Irish Car Bomb came 5th on the list with 30% of respondents agreeing. -- 109.76.154.158 (talk) 15:56, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

And the above mentioned article from the Guardian should be included as reference already. Irrespective of it being used to make the specific point that the drink is offensive or not, it is a national newspaper, it explains the history of the drink, and is a reputable source. It is certainly a more reliable source than blogs and cocktail websites. -- 109.76.154.158 (talk) 16:07, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

The Guardian may be more reputable than a blog, but it is not a reliable source. Oglach na hEireann (talk) 17:53, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources shades The Guardian in green and says it is generally reliable. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 00:51, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

That's hardly a straightforward indication of offensiveness, given that Jaegerbomb came in second, at 40%, and the top pick was Appletini at 49%. You think more people find those names offensive than find "Irish Car Bomb" offensive!? Of course not. Not to mention "Frozen cocktail" at 39%. It's pretty clear that the bulk of what's driving these reactions (of "thinking less of" patrons, not necessarily being offended by them) is one or both of (a) drinks being perceived as being "unserious" mixed drinks mostly consumed by inexperienced drinkers and/or those who don't actually like the taste of alcohol but want to get buzzed and (b) drinks making more work for the bartender (especially if the result "isn't worth the effort"). That's why the Irish Car Bomb, which is kinda sweet and kinda "bro"-ish, but less so (on both accounts) than the Jaegerbomb, and that shares the Jaegerbomb's potential risks (splashing, broken glass, chipped teeth), comes in higher than a lot of drinks that don't have those features (including plenty with controversial names), but still at a significantly lower percentage than the Jaegerbomb itself, despite having a more controversial name. If anything, I'd take that survey result as evidence against the idea that the name is widely considered offensive! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 35.11.156.189 (talk) 01:43, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: Withdrawn. Since it seems this RM is going nowhere, and there is no support so far, I'll put this thing to an end. I'm assuming we should have a disambiguation page instead of the redirect (since there's no obvious single page target relating to the Irish concept), so will put that into effect and people can modify as appropriate.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:33, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

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Irish car bomb (cocktail) → Irish car bomb – I moved the page to "Irish car bomb" after the RM, because I didn't think that detail would be controversial - that title has always redirected to the same page, and although it could technically could mean a car bomb in Ireland, that topic is not one we'd ever make an article about and all plausible links are already covered amply by hatnotes. Plus I didn't see anybody in the RM proposing changing that redirect to anything different. However, now I see that BarrelProof has disputed the move as it was not precisely the title proposed in the RM, meaning we now have the incongruous situation that Irish car bomb redirects to the same title with a disambiguator, which doesn't comply with WP:NATURAL. Rather than reopen the whole RM, I'd therefore like to formally suggest we move it to the base name.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:59, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

• As discussed in the Irish car bomb (cocktail)#Origin section of this article and in the car bomb article (see the sections car bomb#History, car bomb#20th century, and car bomb#Europe), car bombs were used extensively by dissident republicans during The Troubles in Northern Ireland. I had proposed to include "(cocktail)" in the title of the article about the drink so that Irish car bomb would be disambiguated. The term seemed much more unambiguous when it was capitalized as Irish Car Bomb. The bombs were more notable than the drink, and "Irish car bomb" could easily refer to an actual car bomb. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 00:07, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
• Strong oppose @Amakuru: per WP:CRITERIA and WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT "Irish car bomb" in Eire and UK means something that kills people - see yellow highlighted section in this book about the real thing. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:47, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Alternatively recapitalize, less good option, glad that US cocktail drinkers find this entertaining. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:56, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

@In ictu oculi: I don't deny at all that that's the dictionary definition of the phrase Irish car bomb, or that such things haven't been regrettably common over the years over there. The point is simply that, absent the cocktail entry, we would not have any page with that name. It's not really a highly plausible search term for readers looking for information about atrocities in Ireland, and when you type the term "Irish car bomb" into Google with quotes, every entry returned refers to the cocktail.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:37, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Which would be great if everyone using Google always types "Irish car bomb" when they want to look up the cocktail, and Irish car bomb when they wanted to read about the Omagh bombing. Jebus. 🙄 Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 11:55, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

• Strong oppose - An Irish car bomb in Ireland and parts of the UK is something that kills people. Oppose per BarrelProof and In ictu oculi. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 11:55, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Dab page?

@Amakuru: not convinced needed In ictu oculi (talk) 22:32, 3 December 2022 (UTC)