Talk:Isaac Alfasi

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Kohen descent

What is the source for Alfasi being a Kohen? --Redaktor (talk) 16:08, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

His name, Isaac HaCohen? Chesdovi (talk) 16:20, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

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June 2024

@the IP: please refrain from disrupting the article and changing a stable version without consensus. The sources that claim that Qal'at Bani Hammad is near Fez (such as Michael Friedländer) don't make any sense and have been superseded by recent scholarly ones. M.Bitton (talk) 22:12, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello M.Bitton, the sources make sense to me since he's called Alfasi. Even though Qaalat Hammad is in algeria today, what prevents it to be a village near Fes that holds the same name in the past? And we are just random editors here we're not specialists, so why should we prefer what one source says over what other says? 105.69.205.27 (talk) 22:31, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

There is only one Qaalat Hammad (Qala means fortress). Besides, you haven't addressed any of what I said the reliability of the sources and the fact that the old ones have been superseded. Instead, you kept edit warring, casting aspersions and now that you achieved what you came here for, you are pretending to engage in a discussion. M.Bitton (talk) 22:36, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

We're not specialists so we can't make claims like that, we're just random editors. I didn't achieve anything the article is still almost as it was. But I don't know why I can't edit now??? 105.69.205.27 (talk) 22:42, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Being a specialist has nothing to do with what I said about the reliability of the sources. I suggest you familiarize yourself with WP:RS. M.Bitton (talk) 22:44, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

In your modification you didn't only move the source but also moved the entire version to an older one which suits you more, it's like you tried to mislead us, why though? Also not only old sources but this Britannica version is recent: https://www.britannica.com/biography/Isaac-ben-Jacob-Alfasi 105.69.205.27 (talk) 22:58, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

A Britannica article that isn't written by a scholar cannot contradict what the secondary reliable sources say or be given equal weight to them. As a matter of fact, just today, I removed a stupid claim that was attributed to an unsigned Britannica article. Also, you are the one who tried to modify the article and impose your POV while being extremely rude (the article's history doesn't lie). M.Bitton (talk) 23:05, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

I got no clue about your problem with britannica and Tlemcen. Uppon searching in Google books, the sources aren't clear and there is obvious disagreement (Algeria vs near Fez), since you insisted on recent sources here are some for "near Fez":

https://books.google.co.ma/books?id=4RfmEAAAQBAJ&pg=PT3736&dq=Isaaq+Alfasi+born&hl=fr&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&ovdme=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjH4L_g7O2GAxU6gf0HHXOOCoE4ChDoAXoECAcQAw#v=onepage&q=Isaaq%20Alfasi%20born&f=false

Why not replace Qalaat Hammad in the box with North Africa then? Like this one: https://books.google.co.ma/books?id=PrAdxFjB7k4C&pg=PA140&dq=isaaq+alfasi+north+africa&hl=fr&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&ovdme=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjTjdqo8O2GAxVd9LsIHa_WCOIQ6AF6BAgKEAM#v=onepage&q=isaaq%20alfasi%20north%20africa&f=false and https://books.google.co.ma/books?id=JJicnT5S2BkC&pg=PA171&dq=Isaaq+Alfasi+born&hl=fr&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&ovdme=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjyttzY7e2GAxUmhP0HHUudBZE4RhDoAXoECAMQAw#v=onepage&q=Isaaq%20Alfasi%20born&f=false ??? The other section can remain as it is (I gave up modifying the section) so please consider my proposition. Thanks. 105.69.205.27 (talk) 23:58, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

The second and the third don't contradict the cited RS (which are more specific) and the first is a reprint of an ancient source written by the likes of Heinrich Graetz and Louis Ginzberg. There is no reason, none whatsoever, to replace a specific location with a non specific one. Would you want to replace Fez with a city in the western Maghreb? I doubt it. M.Bitton (talk) 00:02, 22 June 2024 (UTC)