Talk:Isaac Musa

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The result was: promoted by BorgQueen (talk) 20:44, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that the Liberian Truth and Reconciliation Commission listed former Council of State vice chair Isaac Musa among deceased supposed perpetrators of human rights abuses and war crimes? Source: Edmund Hogan (13 December 2021). Liberia's First Civil War: A Narrative History. Routledge. ISBN 978-1-00-048570-7.
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Created by Soman (talk). Self-nominated at 17:26, 3 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Isaac Musa; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• @Soman: I am far from expert in en grammar but I feel DYK and the sentence in the article too needs bit improvement in paraphrasing. Sentence in the article says ".. Isaac Musa was listed, .., as 'Dead Perpetrators' by the Liberian Truth and Reconciliation Commission (LTRC), presented by the Commission as 'perpetrators who the LTRC [determined] were responsible for various forms of human rights abuses [...] and war crimes but died before the conclusion of the LTRC.'

Can sentence in the article be rephrased something like, ".. Liberian Truth and Reconciliation Commission (LTRC) declared Isaac Musa among perpetrators who were responsible for various forms of human rights abuses [...] and war crimes but died before the conclusion of the LTRC. .."

Now about DYK, Can we understand why you are using word 'supposed' in ".. among deceased supposed perpetrators .."? I am feeling that word bit awkwardly placed. I have not checked source. Whether commission is not sure of their war crimes? If LTRC is sure and conclusive then word 'supposed' seems unnecessary. If LTRC is not sure then whether word 'likely' or 'most likely' will be better in place of word supposed?

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Bookku (talk) 11:26, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

The problem is that LTRC wasn't conclusive by any means. Effectively Isaac's name was put on a list, but it's not like he was really placed on trial on anything. So adding 'supposed' to the DYK is a safer wording. --Soman (talk) 18:14, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

article needs full review. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 21:13, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Article is new enough and long enough. Lots of sources that I can't check, but [6], [16] and [9] don't appear to contain "Musa". What does source [10] add? [11] appears to not support some of the information in the third section. [12] needs some page numbers, I think. [15]'s Musa seems to be a different individual. The nicknames in the lead need a source. Randomly Googling several sentences yields no plagiarism or copyvio. I'd like to see the text in the source that supports the hook. Which I guess is OK-ish. QPQ is OK. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:28, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

The spelling of his name is not consistent across sources (which happens with various Liberian personalities). [6] used "Isaac Musah". [16] uses "Isaac Saye Mussah". [9] seems to use a combination of "Isaac Musa" per my googling. [10] affirms that Musa was Council of State vice chair, in the government installed on March 7, 1994. What is the fact not supported by [11]? Page numbers for [12] added. The Isaac Musa in [15] is obviously this Isaac Musa ("...Si racconta che il comandante di battaglione Isaac Musa sia stato arrestato e passato davanti alla corte marziale , per aver ucciso un membro della Mansion Guard."). There are two other unrelated mentions of "Musa" in [15] (Mansa Musa and the word muse in Italian). No nick-names in lede, just examples of different spellings in the different sources. Hook is supported by passage in Hogan (2021): " Isaac Musa was among the 23 names listed as 'Dead Perpetrators' compiled by the LTRC"/"('The list of 'Dead Perpetrators', represents perpetrators who the LTRC determines were responsible for various forms of human rights abuses ... and war crimes but died before the conclusion of the LTRC')." --Soman (talk) 21:20, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

I think the article should at some point have a sourced list of the nicknames/alternate spellings. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:10, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

The three alternate spellings are now sourced in lede. --Soman (talk) 20:11, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Doesn't seem like the second of these sources supports the statement. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 07:17, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, which source doesn't support which statement? Regarding the alternate spellings or the DYK hook? --Soman (talk) 22:02, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

The alternative spellings one, sorry. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:49, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Ok, corrected now. I had put the wrong ref, mixing up two references by the same author. --Soman (talk) 13:11, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:58, 1 May 2023 (UTC)