Talk:Isabel Franco Sánchez

Requested move 5 March 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved away from the current title. Moved to Isabel Franco Sánchez per WP:NOGOODOPTIONS. Consensus of making the current title a disambiguation page exists, but no consensus on the disambiguator exists. Closing as the request has been relisted once.

There are two possible targets: Isabel Franco Sánchez and Isabel Franco (politician, born 1970). The first one is better because it is the more WP:CONSISTENT one for now since Isabel Franco Carmona should not be moved as it is not listed in this request.

Please start a new requested move instead if the target title is unsatisfactory per WP:NOGOODOPTIONS. (non-admin closure) ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 12:55, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

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Isabel Franco → Isabel Franco Sánchez – Not the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for the name or even the profession, due to Congress member Isabel Franco Carmona. The Spanish Wikipedia separates the two by their second surname, rather than DOB, office or party. Unlike for example a middle name in English, it is not entirely rare for a public figure in Spanish to have their second surname written in everyday sources, see [1] [2] [3] [4] in which "Isabel Franco Sánchez" is used either exclusively or in tandem with the one-surname format of her name. Unknown Temptation (talk) 22:23, 5 March 2021 (UTC)—Relisting. User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 03:02, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

• Support disambiguating and creation of DAB at base name. Oppose disambiguating by maternal surname. As far as I can see, their common names almost always omit. Fine with disambiguating some other way, like birthyear or whatever is the norm for politicians.--Ortizesp (talk) 01:00, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose as proposed. Use Isabel Franco (politician, born 1970) and Isabel Franco (politician, born 1985), our usual method of disambiguation in these circumstances. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:16, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Support this alternative.--Ortizesp (talk) 14:39, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
• Support the original proposal and strongly oppose the alternative. Birth years are bad disambiguators, and birth years for people born 5 years apart are just useless. No such user (talk) 15:19, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Fifteen years! They're perfectly good disambiguators. How is using a name by which they're not known a good disambiguator? -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:21, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
    • Alright, fifteen; still not much. WP:NATURAL suggests that we use an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English reliable sources, albeit not as commonly as the preferred-but-ambiguous title. For one, Isabel Franco Sánchez identifies herself that way on her Facebook, LinkedIn and Instagram profiles, and is not-infrequently so referred in press. Similar situation is for Isabel Franco Carmona at Instagram Facebook Congress profile. It's not that the maternal surname in Spanish is an obscure, mostly-private thing like middle or baptized name: it's part of a person's full proper name, and, as can be seen, is quite often used by the carriers themselves and their surroundings. They are way better and respectful than those Wikipedian-invented last-resort birth years. No such user (talk) 14:00, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

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