Talk:Isandlwana

Can someone please provide a reference for The Zulus had been instructed to kill the soldiers in the red coats--and not a single British soldier dressed in this manner survived? --Magicmike 00:52, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

At the time of the above comment this page was a redundant content fork for B. of I. It turned into rather a good article too, I was reluctant to simply delete it.... Probably this article should be renamed Isandlwana Hill, but I'm not sure how to do that and preserve history. Andyvphil 15:53, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Location

Can someone please check the geographic coordinates for Isandlwana? Isandlwana is close to 10 miles from Rorke's Drift. henkberg55, 13:10, 18 September 2007 {UTC}

The location given is wrong. The location provided here (28º48'38.36"S 29º09'21.21"E) is not even in Zululand. The correct location is 28º21'32.34"S 30º39'9.89"E. If you go to the correct location on Google Earth you will find a a link to the main Wikipedia article on the battle which is here Battle of Isandlwana and photographs of the area. I will be editing this page shortly to provide the correct location. Aalunste (talk) 13:15, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Pronunciation

The article states: "the dhl sound is similar to the Welsh -ll-"

For those of us (e.g. me) for whom English is only a second language and who don't know any Welsh, what does it sound like?

Thank you. Olav L (talk) 20:42, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

The Zulu 'hl' is pronounced the same as the Welsh 'll'. The sound is referred to technically as a Voiceless lateral fricative. The sound is made by placing the tongue as if to make an 'L' sound - ie on the top of the mouth against the back of the front teeth. You then say the "L" and at the same time breath out past your tongue (keeping it tight against the teeth and roof of the mouth) much like one does when making a sound like a duck. The result is a breezy 'L' sound. You can hear the sound on this page Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch which is about the station with the longest name in Wales. You can see there are lots of 'll's. --Aalunste (talk) 13:15, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

If that is of little assistance, think of the hissing sound made by an angry goose and you're on your way. 211.27.57.109 (talk) 08:42, 15 December 2008 (UTC) Ian Ison

Native

I do not think that the term Native is acceptable, even though it may be used to describe people originally living in Africa. To indigenous Africans, "native" is an extremely condescending term which is probably to be avoided when talking about African history. (EarnestyEternity (talk) 05:47, 18 November 2008 (UTC))

Native is also probably unhelpful in that it technically applies to anyone born in the area - regardless of race or culture. If it's any help, you should remember that you need not let words have power over you. Certain legal traditions assert rights based on place of birth. Others assert traditional or ancestral claims to a place of belonging regardless of more recent events such as the removal of South African blacks under the Apartheid regime to Bantustans. Aboriginal is often also inappropriate in speaking of the Bantu peoples who were historically (though more anciently than the whites and Asians) immigrants into the southern part of the continent and displaced by both East African slaving and Euro-colonial land clearances as well as the usual neighbourhood conflicts experienced by refugees and invaders. The Bushman clans persecuted by both Europeans and Bantus merit the Aboriginal title as the ancient rock art of the area tells us. Mixed race people may best benefit from the term Native. Their disinheritance under tribal or race-based social structures is otherwise a moral tragedy. 211.27.57.109 (talk) 09:05, 15 December 2008 (UTC) Ian Ison

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