Talk:Isidoro Acevedo

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Someone put the speedy deletion ad at the same time I was adding the last line to the biography. I think that Isidoro Acevedo is part of Argentine history, since he took place in several battles and Borges refers to him a couple of times. I think is useful information.

--Dpapic 01:02, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Many people fought in those battles and being related to someone notable doesn't make him notable by proxy. IrishGuy ^talk 01:09, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

There are articles on imaginary people that appeared in one poem or novel, like: Odysseus, Leopold Bloom and Dulcinea... even Hogwarts has an article! And in this case, Isidoro Acevedo not only appeared in a poem by Borges, he also existed, and was related to the writer.

--Dpapic 13:35, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Those are classic works of literature. This single poem isn't in that same category. IrishGuy ^talk 17:56, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Are you THAT sure? Do you know who Jorge Luis Borges is? Can I discuss this with some literature specialist? I mean, after I gave you those examples, I continued searching and found out Paul Sheldon and Jack Torrance. The fact that YOU know who Stephen King is, but not who Jorge Luis Borges is, doesn't mean Borges is not a classic. If you want some sort of proof, you can check out Harold Bloom's western canon: it's a list of a hundred writers he considers classics. Borges is there, along with Cervantes, Joyce and Homer. Of course, Stephen King and J. K. Rowling are not a part of that list.

--Dpapic 18:20, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I didn't say I didn't know who Borges was. I do, in fact. Borges is eminently notable. The subject of one poem (even one poem authored by Borges) is not notable. Edgar Allen Poe is notable...we don't have articles for each subject of each poem he ever wrote. IrishGuy ^talk 20:09, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't understand. The problem is that Borges mentioned Isidoro Acevedo in just one poem? What about Paul Sheldon? Why Paul Sheldon qualifies for an article? He also appeared in just one novel. Or is it about the amount of characters of the work? You mentioned Poe. What about C. Auguste Dupin?

--Dpapic 22:35, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Bad examples. First off, a novel by length alone is clearly different than a poem. Second, Misery was both a best selling novel and a high grossing film. Dupin not only appears in three works, but The Murders in the Rue Morgue is considered the forerunner of all modern detective fiction. How can you possibly equate those two examples to a single poem which has not had any level of global influence on culture? IrishGuy ^talk 22:51, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

What exactly do you mean by "global influence on culture"? I am not even trying to compare the importance of the character Isidoro Acevedo with Dupin. It's obvious for me that Acevedo is less important. I'm just saying that I think that even though Isidoro Acevedo is a small character, it should have an article on Wikipedia. You can't measure importance by the amount of characters, or by the fact that a movie was made. Paul Sheldon, for me, is not an important fictional character of literature, OR film. Do I think there should be an article about him on Wikipedia? Yes. I'm just saying that if there is a category called Characters in written fiction, the Wikipedia shoult tend to portrait them all, at least all of the characters of renowned writers (let's not talk about classics). Besides, if the character also existed... and took part on some famous wars... and was related to the writer... Suppose I find another reference to Acevedo on another Borges' text as well, will you change your mind? Or should we ask for a third opinion?

--Dpapic 01:17, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Relation is irrelevant. Everyone who is famous has relatives...should they all have articles? Served in combat? So did many others. They don't all get articles. Creating an article for every single character who ever appeared in the work of renowned writers would be rediculous. One mention in one poem just isn't notable. For a non-fictional person Wikipedia has very clear criteria outlined in WP:BIO which this person just doesn't meet. It isn't personal but I have the feeling you are taking this personally. Please don't. 01:23, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I think it's stupid to merge it with Jorge Luis Borges. If it's not notable, you should delete it. But someone looking for Isidoro Acevedo shouldn't land on Borges. Besides, ok, it's not notable. Why Isidoro Acevedo isn't notable but Anne Hathaway is?

--Dpapic 20:09, 5 December 2006 (UTC)