Talk:Islamic Human Rights Commission

Al-Quds Day, sources

• tau.ac.il
• ihrc.org.uk-show.php?id=1593
• ihrc.org.uk-Al_Quds_Poster_2005

--tickle me 23:43, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

POV edits by 86.130.63.21

Stop it and argue, this is the forth time, thus it amounts to vandalism; you'll get banned after three warnings - This is the second. --tickle me 18:29, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

86.130.63.21's edit: "...which they feel is perfectly acceptable, whereas the British National Party campaigning for the prohibition of the Islamic Human Rights Commission on religious and ethnic hatred grounds is not."

1. As the IHRC campaigns against the British National Party it's a superfluous truism to state that "they feel [it] is perfectly acceptable" ...to do so.
2. If you feel that the NPs campaigning against the IHRC is not justified, that's is your POV.
3. "A fair comment": Comments are for the discussion, but not for the article page.

--tickle me 01:23, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

I don't agree with this admin's decision to handle the ongoing edit war as content dispute. --tickle me 01:32, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Edit war

Hi. This is not simple vandalism, but a content dispute. However, User:86.130.63.21 has been quite unhelpful in backing up his views with evidence. User:86.130.63.21 - your edits are your point of view, and are therefore unencyclopedic. If you can give a reference saying that XYZ believes that the BNP calling for the banning of IHRC is unjustified then do so. But just because it is your opinion that the BNP has no grounds to ban the IHRC doesn't mean this is 1) true, 2) verifiable or 3) encyclopedic. Thanks, Ronline ✉ 08:00, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Suggested merge from Annual Islamophobia Awards

I've suggested a merge from Annual Islamophobia Awards into a new section on this page. Please feel free to comment at Talk:Annual Islamophobia Awards. --h2g2bob 12:31, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree that the award does not merit its own article. Beit Or 15:36, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I view that i merits its own article. --Striver 16:56, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Merge this silly article. Sham awards, low level humourless satire. Merge this or I'll AfD it. David Spart 00:32, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I can't beleive you just put that! Munkee madness

POV and un-encyclopaedic writing been reinserted into this article.

The Islamic Human Rights Commission may or may not be a body that aspires to the same things as do Western organisations.

But this article was littered with POV expressions such as "campaigns against what it sees as violations", "collaborated with" (not backed by reference), "initiated by Ayatollah Khomeini" (not backed by reference) and "feels that the adoption of sharia law is .......".

And hopelessly un-encyclopaedic writing had been re-inserted "In response to July 2006 The Mail and The Sun article IHRC published a press release on 24 July 2006[1] stating the reports "libellous" and "malicious" attacks to IHRC and in particular its chair, Massoud Shadjareh".

Any organisation deservers much better than this. PalestineRemembered 19:39, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Israeli Propaganda Piece should be deleted

hardly an unbiased piece, its a worthless piece of propaganda anti islamic, anti arab and pro Israel

It is of utmost importance that someone rewrites this article in an objective manner. The integrity of wikipedia is at stake. IHRC is a body in consultative status with the United Nations, and in that regard its goals are consonant with those of the UN. Do not let wikipedia turn into a wikiislam (a forum which spouts rubbish about Islam) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.147.79.8 (talk) 18:10, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

They've done some shoddy work at certain points, and they haven't shown much inclination to either take responsibility or correct the original problems. Pointing that out is hardly "Israeli propaganda"... AnonMoos (talk) 17:42, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

It is well known and proven that the Israeli lobby (for example,CAMERA)work to undermine the integrity of Wikipedia. The sources for the funding and philosophy of IHRC are the stephen roth institute (hardly an unbiased source) and Anthony Mcroy! his evangelist zeal hardly makes him an authority for objectively deliberating on muslim affairs. His book has been criticised as a half baked Phd dissertation. If I had time, I would seek to make this piece more objective. But I don't. It's up to you wiki ppl to preserve the integrity of wikipedia and prevent it from becoming victim to far right sensibilities. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.182.3.28 (talk) 16:52, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

It is absolutely impossible to take seriously demands to delete an entry from people who blame Israel, as anti-Semites are wont to do, for everything supposedly wrong with this entry. "The Jews are responsible"!!!!! Of course.74.215.219.209 (talk) 05:56, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

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Dispute

I would specifically like to quote this piece:

In 2010, IHRC inaugurated an annual event commemorating genocides from modern history. The event, held in London in January included a Holocaust survivor speaking about his experiences during the period and his support for the Palestinian struggle. Other genocides that were commemorated, included the little known massacre of 10 million Indians by the British in the decade after the Indian Mutiny in the 19th century;

A bit of research will reveal the "10 million" number, which refers to the Indians slaughtered during the Sepoy mutiny, comes from the work of a single person described as a conspiracy theorist on his own Wikipedia page, Amaresh Misra. Mr. Misra believes the 2008 Mumbai bombings were orchestrated by the CIA and Mossad, and has promoted debunked claims by reliable sources. He is also a member of the far-left Communist Party of India (Marxist–Leninist) Liberation group, meaning he is not a neutral and unbiased source.

Citations are also needed for the claims that the Sepoy Mutiny is "little known" and also that it qualifies as a Genocide. I have tagged this section (Genocide Memorial Day) as containing factual errors. Thank you, Dunutubble (talk) 15:19, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

References

Vandalism

This section is Vandalism. The date has been cited as 13 years after the actual article and uses that date to accuse the organisation of supporting an organisation proscribed in 2018. This is clearly not just bias but disingenuous.

The article and its claims are discussed on the page already with the correct dates. JamieJamalBond (talk) 11:15, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

This was deleted:

In 2022 it was also alleged that as secretary of the Council, Saied Reza Ameli had played a key role in drawing up the regime’s tougher rules on the mandatory wearing of the hijab in Iran while serving as Director of the IHRC in Britain and registered as a resident of Wembley, London.[102]

The source cited does not state that Ameli is registered as a resident of Wembley of serving as a Director while in the UK. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JamieJamalBond (talk • contribs) 15:08, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

This entire section "Connections with Iranian Regime and support for Hezbollah See also: Hezbollah and Iranian regime" is vandalism and should be deleted. It seems to be sourced by two articles from The Times, and also makes allegations not contained in the sources, despite stating them as from the sources. This is malicious and vandalism.

Section can be reworked either Disputes with Neoconservatives as rest of page contains duplicate references form one of each of Douglas Murray and Melanie Phillips articles. All should be merged

2008 paper does not claim Ayatollah Khomeini is a torch for all mankind, or that author aspires to be like Qasem Soleimani. Article in ref 105, does not claim that Shadjareh but another named person is alleged to have ‘described British protesters against the Iranian regime as “soldiers of Satan”’ — Preceding unsigned comment added by JamieJamalBond (talk • contribs) 15:55, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Feel free to do whatever. WP:BOLD says you can do it, and until someone contests it in a section (see WP:BRD), you don't need to document every change on here.

Just put a useful edit summary for your changes. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 17:54, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. That's really helpful. JamieJamalBond (talk) 18:28, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

I added back the controversy section to the lede, we do need to keep a balanced WP:LEDE and burying the considerable criticism below in the article probably won't fly with most editors.

I also saw some sourcing that was from facebook (not sure if it was you, or if it was on the article earlier). I think WP:SOCIALMEDIA states we should try to avoid social media except under some very specific circumstances. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 15:13, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Must have been an earlier edit prior to mine. Facebook isn’t a reliable source in most cases. KronosAlight (talk) 17:57, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

It contains all of the claims made in the body of the text. You have vandalised this article. KronosAlight (talk) 17:57, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

def not. nobody wp:owns an article and these were wp:goodfaith edits Bluethricecreamman (talk) 18:02, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Sourcing

It seems a lot of the sourcing is from the IHRC website..

We can't use that in this article, that's not WP:INDEPENDENT. In general, we need either an academic article, journal article, etc, to provide the sourcing. The organization cannot be the source of info for its own wikipedia article. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 15:15, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

I’ve added a comment on the userpage of the user in question for their vandalism requesting they revert their vandalism. I will be escalating this to the Arbitration Committee if some sort of agreement cannot be reached. I’d encourage you to view the version of the article prior to their edits and consider whether they are in fact telling the truth about the versions of the article prior to their vandalism. KronosAlight (talk) 18:01, 2 September 2024 (UTC)