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Tracking events

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Kosovo trial concluded

German raid against suspects in Cologne and Düren

Source Deutsche Welle. 1Kwords (talk) 19:35, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Seville Christmas market plot april 2019

Two arrested in France over kindergarten plot

Source RTL: https://www.rtl.fr/actu/justice-faits-divers/paris-deux-hommes-mis-en-examen-a-paris-pour-avoir-projete-un-attentat-7797354252 1Kwords (talk) 07:07, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

Attempted attacks on trains in Germany - one arrested

Source Deutsche Welle: https://www.dw.com/en/austria-arrests-man-suspected-of-attacks-on-german-trains/a-48074421 1Kwords (talk) 19:30, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

No motive confirmed. // Liftarn (talk) 11:03, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
Liftarn not to worry, there are more sources available and there will be more sources once the trial has concluded. https://www.rtl.fr/actu/international/autriche-arrestation-d-un-irakien-soupconne-de-sabotage-ferroviaire-en-allemagne-7797302451 1Kwords (talk) 07:11, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

Condé-sur-Sarthe prison stabbing in France March 2019

Rescuing source from deleted material for future research https://www.foxnews.com/world/stabbing-of-guards-at-french-prison-treated-as-terror-attack. Time will tell on this one. 1Kwords (talk) 08:07, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

Attack on policeman in Brussels

Belgium source Histogenea22 (talk) 13:54, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Stuttgart airport terror alert

According to Spiegel Online. 1Kwords (talk) 21:43, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Terror investigation in Norway

A stabbing in Norway is being investigated as a terrorist attack: https://www.aftenposten.no/norge/i/OnKX1k/Ung-russer-pagrepet--blir-siktet-for-terror 1Kwords (talk) 21:23, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

Investigation in Rotterdam

Investigation in Rotterdam according to this link. 1Kwords (talk) 07:25, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

I will follow it since it's Dutch Histogenea22 (talk) 18:00, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Operation Abiad in southern Italy

Apparently a group of 15 people were arrested for suspected jihadism and people smuggling in "operation Abiad" in soutthern Italy.

Anyone here who is fluent in Italian? 1Kwords (talk) 09:27, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Jihadists plan Mumbai-style attack targeting Germany

According to NDR, there's a trial underway of Islamists who planned a Mumbai-style attack on Germany using 3 groups of attackers. Keeping it here until there's a verdict. 1Kwords (talk) 20:12, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi there, I already created a page for this: 2016 German terror plot. Additions are welcome.--Greywin (talk) 20:26, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
Good work. I found a Deutsche Welle source and added it to the article. 1Kwords (talk) 21:54, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
Another source FOCUS.de. A Thousand Words (talk) 16:15, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Plot against France, trial in Portugal?

An attack in France planned to take place in December 2016 was apparently averted. Trial has not concluded according to Die Zeit. The case has also been written about in the CTC Sentinel. 1Kwords (talk) 21:30, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Karlsruhe terrorist trial

There's a trial in Karlsruhe for a suspect with ISIS links who planned a vehicle ramming attack on a public ice rink. https://www.tagesschau.de/multimedia/video/video-470331.html. 1Kwords (talk) 10:11, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Per source: Seems the attack plans charge was droppand and what remains is "supporting terrorist group" ... apparently the accused is of Kurdish heritage and the suspect reported the undercover officer (who happens to be Turkish heritage) to police for terrorist plans. Another source indicated that the suspect had at one point reported the undercover police officer to police for plotting. A Thousand Words (talk) 13:57, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Terrorist trial in Sweden

Another terrorist trial underway in Sweden. 1Kwords (talk) 10:39, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

investigation underway in Barcelona

Find the El Pais source in English here. 1Kwords (talk) 09:08, 30 December 2018 (UTC)


Manchester mall stabbing attack

Independent say the attack brought back memories of the attacks in 2017. Keeping the reference here for monitoring: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/manchester-arndale-stabbing-latest-suspect-terror-charge-shopping-centre-arrested-today-a9152251.html A Thousand Words (talk) 19:44, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

Three arrested in Offenbach

Arrest in Grenoble

BAC unit in Grenoble arrest a knife-wielding man in November 2019. Keeping here for further reference. https://www.francebleu.fr/infos/faits-divers-justice/arrestation-du-forcene-de-la-garde-de-grenoble-la-video-qui-fait-le-buzz-1572372793 A Thousand Words (talk) 16:00, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Syrian with IS-connection arrested in Berlin

Berliner Morgenpost: https://www.morgenpost.de/berlin/article227688249/Berlin-Terrorverdacht-Syrer-arbeitete-in-Grundschule-und-Bode-Museum.html A Thousand Words (talk) 06:59, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

20 people arrested in Denmark

Three chechnyans arrested in Austria

One was connected to the Islamic State. Source: https://www.kleinezeitung.at/oesterreich/5739475/Wien_Vom-Gefaengnis-aus-Ausbruch-und-Anschlagserie-geplant A Thousand Words (talk) 06:27, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Sudesh Amman attack in Streatham, London Feb 2020

Geneva airport plot

Stabbing attack in Romans-sur-Isère April 2020

According to French source: https://www.liberation.fr/depeches/2020/04/05/attaque-de-romans-sur-isere-un-troisieme-soudanais-en-garde-a-vue_1784234 A Thousand Words (talk) 08:43, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

This has an article: 2020 Romans-sur-Isère knife attack. TompaDompa (talk) 11:10, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
An investigation was opened by the parquet national antiterroriste (PNAT). A Thousand Words (talk) 16:54, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Police operation in Dusseldorf April 2020

Source: https://www.welt.de/regionales/nrw/article207289891/Mutmassliche-IS-Terrorzelle-in-NRW-ausgehoben.html A Thousand Words (talk) 06:41, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Colombes attack on police terrorist investigation

  • Per Le Figaro: Youssef T., qui a tenté d’assassiner lundi deux policiers à Colombes, avait fait allégeance à l’État islamique. A Thousand Words (talk) 09:48, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Giessen terror trial

Stuttgart trial

Celle trial

Copenhagen raid on suspected Islamists December 2019

On 11 December 2019, approximately twenty suspected Islamists were arrested on suspicion of planning an attack. Some materials for making bombs were allegedly found in premises that were raided.[1][2]

References

  1. ^ Press, Associated (2019-12-11). "Islamist terrorism suspects arrested in raids across Denmark". The Guardian. ISSN 0261-3077. Retrieved 2019-12-17.
  2. ^ "20 Islamist terrorism suspects arrested in raids across Denmark". Metro. 2019-12-11. Retrieved 2019-12-18.

Thwarted terrorist plot in Moscow, Russia

Source: Reuters. A Thousand Words (talk) 09:43, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Soldier behading plot trial concluded in 2015 in the UK

Elysée palace attack plot

26 April 2019: Four islamists planned an attack against the Élysée Palace. When the group tried to get access to firearms, they were arrested 26 April 2019 and police found a Kalashnikov assault rifle. One of the four was 17 years old and had previously been arrested fro trying to travel to Syria and take part in jihad in 2017. The 17-year-old was convicted to to three years in prison by a court handling cases involving minors. source here and here. Apparently only one of the four have been convicted. Keep here for further court verdicts. A Thousand Words (talk) 16:08, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Ceuta trial (concluded)

  • Individual who radicalized jihadists to send them to Syria convicted.

Add signature: A Thousand Words (talk) 18:13, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

2016 arrest of cell members in Midlands, Marseille and Strasbourg

Morges stabbing September 2020

Full cit on the source deleted from Islamic Terrorism by both TompaDompa and Pincrete.[1] XavierItzm (talk) 11:38, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
No one disputes what the source says and it may very well turn out to be Is Ter. What the source does not contain is any competent authority (justice minister etc), describing this incident as Islamic/ist terrorism. Suspects allegedly speaking of avenging the prophet, shouting slogans etc etc etc tend to suggest much, but they confirm nothing without a whole bunch of WP:OR. Pincrete (talk) 12:28, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Thread from bottom of talk page moved here per agreement

Re this removal of mine based on this source. According to my French, (and Google translate), it was the 'mentor' of the man accused of the stabbing who has been tried and sentenced to 15 years by a Paris court. The actual accused does not appear to have been tried as yet, but I'd be glad if someone with better French could check my reading of the source. Pincrete (talk) 19:16, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Pincrete thanks for finding the source, would you mind moving this section into the "Tracking events" section above? That way it won't get autoarchived and can be handled in due time. A Thousand Words (talk) 11:26, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
1Kwords, move if you wish. The source was either here or on the main article, but was mistranslated (je pense). Pincrete (talk) 14:10, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Ludovic Rocchi (17 September 2020). "Le suspect de Morges a avoué et dit avoir agi pour "venger le Prophète"". Radio Télévision Suisse (in French). Retrieved 1 October 2020. He also said it was a matter of "avenging the Prophet"

Priest shot in Lyon 1 Nov 2020

"a Greek Orthodox priest, was seriously wounded by gunshot on Saturday afternoon, October 31 in Lyon, by a lone man with unknown motives as he closed his church. At this stage, no hypothesis is ruled out, nor privileged,” said Lyon prosecutor Nicolas Jacquet" Pincrete (talk) 17:39, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Copenhagen arrest April 2020

Explosive device found on train in Cologne

Sid Ahmed Glam case

Lugano stabbings Nov 2020

Holbaek arrests in Denmark Feb 2021

December 2016 Paris plotters convicted

Vetlanda stabbing attack February 2021 in Sweden - suspected terrorism

There's a standalone article for this attack: Vetlanda stabbing attack. A Thousand Words (talk) 05:44, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Argenteuil trial commences 8 march 2021 (Euro 2016 soccer plot)

Rambouillet stabbing April 2021

Nantes (La Chapelle-sur-Erdre) stabbing May 2021

Würzburg stabbing June 2021

Whoever is supposed to record these attacks on this article is doing a bad job.ThePaganUK (talk) 16:17, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

ThePaganUK yes, I agree. Not even the thwarted attacks in 2020 which were listed in Europol's TE SAT update have been added to the Terrorist plots section, the last one is from 2019 almost two years ago. A Thousand Words (talk) 07:03, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
A Thousand Words I've no idea what's wrong with this wiki page. A few months ago I added all the recent attacks from 2021 up until the Wurzburg stabbing only for the edit to be undone despite me citing multiple sources. I believe I used a source for the Rambouillet attack where president Emmanuel Macron himself described the event as an Islamic terrorist attack, yet that's not good enough for the attack to be recorded on this article? It's daft. Since when did wiki require info from one source (that being Europol)? ThePaganUK (talk) 15:18, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
Of course president Emmanuel Macron is good enough. Launching an RfC to have the material restored could be an option to get more editors involved and clarify the situation. Over the last year or so, I have been pretty much the only contributing editor outside the "must wait for Europol" camp, so there wasn't any real chance to work on this article in the face of that opposition. With your help, think this article can start to have progress again. 01:25, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
The problem in that case was that the cited source didn't say Macron described the event as an Islamic terrorist attack. What the source said was The president, Emmanuel Macron, tweeted that France would not give in in its "fight against Islamist terrorism". which is of course highly suggestive, but doesn't allow us to attribute the classification of the attack as Islamic terrorism to him. TompaDompa (talk) 05:18, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Imho the real problem is that effort is spent on shooting down that single source instead of looking for better sources in French / from France. Imho The Guardian news paper from the UK is not among the WP:BESTSOURCES on Islamic Terrorism in France. A Thousand Words (talk) 05:46, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

So far, nobody has argued against launching an RfC on the Rambouillet attack. A Thousand Words (talk) 05:50, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

We don't add entries first and go looking for sources afterwards. All content needs to be properly sourced from the moment it's added. I don't really see the point of starting a RfC – if there's a usable source, just add it. No need to wait for 30 days of discussion and then who knows how long for someone to close it if we have a source, right? It should be fairly easy to determine if any given source can be used for attributing a classification of an event as Islamic terrorism to an official source or not. TompaDompa (talk) 06:00, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
Of course president Emmanuel Macron is good enough. the problem isn't whether Macron is good enough - it's what he says: "The president, Emmanuel Macron, tweeted that France would not give in in its “fight against Islamist terrorism”. - which doesn't say that THIS event WAS Islamist terrorism. Hardly surprising, since the tweet was issued on the day of the event and before police had really begun any investigation. Macron's tweet is the sort of 'general statement that Boris Johnson has made on several occasions BEFORE it is actually known what the event was. Johnson guessed wrongly on some occasions and whilst it seems unlikely that Macron's 'guess' was wholly wrong, either we have a policy that requires an EXPLICIT attribution from competent authority (usually the 'Minister of Justice' or senior investigating policeman) - or we don't. The inference that an event is probably Islamist terrorism, never should be good enough for this page. The history of the article shows where that logic has led to in the past.
I note that even Fox, (which is used as a source on the Rambouillet attack article) stops short of saying this was Islamist terrorism "Friday's attack at a police station near Paris was the latest in a long series of crimes in the country that have been linked to Islamist extremists". Linked by whom? One wonders - the Press? Again this was a 'breaking news' article in Fox, very close to the event, so hardly surprising that they weren't more explicit.
I know of no one who has ever argued that we must wait for Europol - Europol doesn't investigate anyhow, it simply collates info from the police/justice apparatus of member countries AFAIK. So in most instances the police/justice apparatus will have made explicit statements as soon as they themselves know - since the question is usually uppermost in public/press's minds. These aren't always reported in UK/US sources of course since the news agenda has often 'moved on' by then.
The Guardian has one of the highest reputations for accuracy/caution of all UK sources, though it often won't do 'follow up' coverage of relatively minor incidents on the European mainland, so that's where 'foreign' sources are often useful IMO. Pincrete (talk) 07:54, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
It is obvious to everone that some are far more interested in debating on this talk page than spending time searching for sources - you both just proved my point. A Thousand Words (talk) 08:32, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
Actually I was responding to two factually incorrect statements by YOU. One of which is that there is some 'wait for Europol faction' here and the other is that "Of course president Emmanuel Macron is good enough". Well of course Macron would have been good enough if he had actually said this incident was Islamist terrorism, which unfortunately, he didn't. I'm sorry that you look upon correcting you over two fairly substantial errors as "debating on this talk page". Believe me, I wish it were not necessary. Pincrete (talk) 14:15, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Eindhoven ISIS Plot 2021

The anti-terror unit of the Dutch police arrested nine men very early in the morning on 24 September in Eindhoven, not far from the Belgian border. The suspects were said to be preparing a terrorist attack.

It concerns men between the ages of 18 and 31, all with a Dutch passport. Eight of them were Dutch born, one suspect is originally from Afghanistan. According to the Dutch judiciary, the group sympathised with ISIS and it's jihadist ideas. Raids were conducted at several housing locations, however no weapons or explosive devices were found.[1][2][3]ThePaganUK (talk) 16:17, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "Nederlandse politie pakt in Eindhoven negen terreurverdachten op die trainden voor een aanslag". HLN.be. 24 September 2021.
  2. ^ "Nine 'Eindhoven men' arrested on suspicion of planning a terrorist attack". DutchNews.nl. 24 September 2021.
  3. ^ "Nine IS sympathisers arrested in Eindhoven for plotting terror attack". Hart Van Nederland. 24 September 2021.

"Allahu akbar" stabbing in Colombes, France, October 2021

A Thousand Words (talk) 07:00, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Anti-terror raid in Düren, Germany, October 2021

Stabbing at Gare St Lazare, Paris, Nov 2021

"Allahu akbar" stabbing attack on French police in Cannes, 8 Nov 2021

  • An assaillant attacked policemen in their vehicle. The first victim was saved by his bodyarmour and the assailant was shot and wounded by his colleagues. Le Figaro. An investigation was opened by the PNAT (terrorist prosecution agency). A Thousand Words (talk) 21:09, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Confirmed attacks to be added (2021)

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  • Rambouillet knife attack
  • May 28th stabbing attack in Nantes - [1]
  • 2021 Würzburg stabbing
  • Kongsberg attack
  • Killing of David Amess - Suspect openly considered himself an associate of ISIS
  • Gare Saint Lazare attempted stabbing (2 Nov 2021). Suspect shouted 'Allahu akbar' whilst trying to stab police officers. The suspect was shot dead.[2]
  • Cannes Knife attack (8 Nov 2021). 37-year old Algerian stabbed police officer claiming he was 'acting in the name of the prophet'. Three more people were arrested in connection.[3]

I'd furthermore like to address my protest at the fact no-one is allowed to put these on the article. What on earth is the matter?

ThePaganUK (talk) 15:07, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

The page is WP:Extended confirmed protected, but since you are WP:Extended confirmed, you can edit it. That means that you can add entries yourself as long as you provide a WP:Reliable source that attributes the classification of the event as "Islamic terrorism" (or a close synonym such as "jihadist terrorism") to a competent authority. TompaDompa (talk) 03:43, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://www.france24.com/en/france/20210528-man-attacks-french-police-officer-with-knife-sparking-manhunt-in-western-france
  2. ^ https://www.euronews.com/2021/11/02/french-police-officers-shoot-man-who-had-threatened-them-with-a-knife
  3. ^ https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20211109-french-police-arrest-three-people-linked-to-suspect-in-cannes-knife-attack-media-report

TompaDompa I had recorded some of the attacks on this article previously and they were taken down. It seems to me that Europol is the only source acceptable on this page. Furthermore seen as at the end of every attack's description it says 'Europol classifies this as jihadist terrorism' or something to the same affect. ThePaganUK (talk) 18:48, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

No, Europol isn't the only acceptable source, even if it is indeed by far the most commonly used one. See for instance the entry for the 2011 Frankfurt Airport shooting, which instead says According to the court judge at Oberlandesgericht Frankfurt, this was the first terrorist attack in Germany in which the perpetrator had an Islamist motive. The reason the entries say something along those lines is that per MOS:TERRORIST, we have to use WP:INTEXT attribution. And obviously, it has to be attributed to a source which is actually WP:RELIABLE for such a determination—pundits, reporters, and eyewitnesses, for instance, are not reliable sources for determining whether something is Islamic terrorism or not. Court rulings are, on the other hand, as are intelligence agencies such as Europol, Interpol, and MI5. It should probably go without saying, but prosecutors stating that something is Islamic terrorism carries the same weight as defense attorneys stating that it is not—none.
And of course, the source has to actually say that it is Islamic terrorism, not just that it's being investigated as such or the like. Nor can we draw our own conclusions from circumstantial evidence, no matter how strong. Extremely suggestive is not enough, it has to be explicit.
In short, we have to be able to point to a competent authority that explicitly classifies the event as Islamic terrorism. TompaDompa (talk) 20:34, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Islam Peaceful religion

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Its not Good to name it Islamic because of some extremist, Islam has nothing to do with it 2A00:23C7:CA05:4601:402A:1A41:A75A:9959 (talk) 01:47, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Page's Title!!!

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The page title as well as content should address it as islamist terrorism or radical islamist terrorism. Saying Islamic terrorism is false, misleading and unencyclopedic. Izan Mehdi. (talk) 03:09, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 October 2023

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In the Overview section, suggest adding a link to the entry for the November 2015 attacks instead of just a textual reference.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks 98.111.200.167 (talk) 21:21, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

  Done ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 21:54, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Two recent AfDs

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There were recently two WP:AfDs for articles whose scopes overlap with this article: WP:Articles for deletion/List of thwarted Islamic terrorist attacks which was closed as delete and WP:Articles for deletion/List of Islamist terrorist attacks which was closed as no consensus. This article has both a list of attacks and a list of plots (in other words, thwarted attacks). Considering the deletion of the broader list of thwarted attacks, I think we should consider what (if anything) should be done about the list of plots here. TompaDompa (talk) 01:34, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

As a suggestion, I think we should limit the list here to entries with stand-alone articles. Anyone else want to weigh in? TompaDompa (talk) 11:36, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
@TompaDompa: That seems reasonable, though I think the ones with an article in a different language should also be kept. ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 22:09, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
What policy would support this proposed rule? There are, of course, notable things in general that do not yet have articles on Wikipedia. --Local hero talk 20:18, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
It would be in line with the first bullet point at WP:CSC. TompaDompa (talk) 20:28, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
Additionally, experience suggests that many minor suspected plots never get coverage beyond an initial news article. The list then becomes fairly unhelpful of things that might be plots. A minimum criteria of some kind is helpful and TDs seems practical.Pincrete (talk) 12:57, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
I implemented the change. TompaDompa (talk) 17:21, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

2023 Brussels terrorist attack

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Can someone add the 2023 Brussels terrorist attack? 2A02:A03F:8B1C:9D00:15DC:96FF:2131:9DF8 (talk) 07:04, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

It's there already, although the motives for that attack at the moment are only suspected rather than known - probable not certain. Pincrete (talk) 10:45, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
Which of course means that it does not belong (at least not yet). I commented it out, for now. TompaDompa (talk) 17:21, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
The Belgian government announced on 20 October that it is officially a terrorist attack[1] Southdevonian (talk) 10:28, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
The govt doesn't mention 'Islamism', nor any synonym, nor any other motive. The presumption is largely coming from the perp's own video. I would be very surprised if any other motive materialised, but at present the main article is going beyond what legal authorities/investigators have concluded. Pincrete (talk) 15:17, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
If it's in List of Islamist terrorist attacks, how can it not be here? UnbiasedSN (talk) 03:59, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
If it's in List of Islamist terrorist attacks, how can it not be here? That's an WP:OTHERSTUFF argument, but basically that page is still discussing what its inclusion criteria are, and neither source on that other list actually mentions Islamic terrorism - the closest it gets is saying the prosecutor was treating the incident as terrorism and describing the man's video (all from less than 24 hgours after the incident btw).
This page evolved a consensus some years ago that a named senior police, justice or govt figure had to go on record that it was Islamic terrorism (or a clear synonym) - or it be included in the annual EU terrorism report. We did this as an antidote to the huge numbers of 'suspected' incidents that were finding their way onto this page at that time. Editors were ever keen to add them on the slightest suspicion and with trivial incidents - and there was always some anon 'witness' who was convinced they heard "Allahu akbar", or other superficial 'proof' - even in implausible circumstances. We may not as a consequence have the most up-to-date list, but we do have a reliable one where it is possible to verify WHO says it's Islamist terrorism, not simply 'pile on the proofs'. Pincrete (talk) 06:37, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
I've seen your editing history. All you had to say was that you're obviously biased and zealous. UnbiasedSN (talk) 20:36, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 December 2023

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Change '"There was a rise in Islamic terrorist incidents in Europe after 2014." to "There was a brief rise in Islamic terrorist incidents in Europe during the mid 2010s." The back to back terrorist attacks died off by 2018. Onion1981 (talk) 23:23, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

  Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Deltaspace42 (talk • contribs) 16:02, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Removing anything without its own article

Latest comment: 10 months ago4 comments3 people in discussion

I was pointed to an alleged talk page discussion but I see no such consensus that this list article should only have items which have their own separate article. That is not the standard for any list that I know of. As such, I propose that it should be changed. What is the reasoning? Andre🚐 11:52, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

You can look a couple of sections above at #Two recent AfDs, where I noted that this is one of the WP:Common selection criteria (specifically, Every entry meets the notability criteria for its own article in the English Wikipedia.), and ARandomName123 and Pincrete agreed with the suggestion to impose such a limitation for the list of plots here. TompaDompa (talk) 12:25, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
That's helpful, thanks. However, per the link you just shared, Red-linked entries are acceptable if the entry is verifiably a member of the listed group and it is reasonable to expect an article could be forthcoming in the near future. Red-linked entries should be accompanied by citations sufficient to show that the entry is sufficiently notable I would argue the one I restored and you removed falls into that group. Andre🚐 12:29, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
Over and above the 'separate article' issue, which I still think is a reasonable filter, the only source that I can find that mentions Mossad, is the Jerusalem Post, much of whose coverage is quoting Israeli, rather than Danish sources. Even JP only mentions Mossad in the title. Most European sources I can see are careful to speak of "alleged" and "suspected" plots while our text used WPVOICE to assert these allegations as facts. Other news sources speak of German-Danish-Dutch arrest operations, though the number of arrests and how Hamas related they are seems to vary depending on who you read. Pincrete (talk) 16:10, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

2024 Crocus City Hall attack

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Can I request that someone add the 2024 Crocus City Hall attack please? Pikachu3408 (talk) 09:21, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

  Already done A mention of the attack was added in the lead section this afternoon. Not quite sure why the List of attacks section stops at 2021. An update might be needed. Liu1126 (talk) 18:17, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
Part of the reason is certainly that the editor 1Kwords was indeffed back in December 2021 because of longterm POV issues (they were also blocked for 2 years on Swedish-language Wikipedia for misrepresenting sources in October 2021). Suffice it to say that their edits to this article ensured that other editors kept a close eye on it and likewise edited it fairly heavily. TompaDompa (talk) 18:36, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

2 December 2023 Paris stabbing

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German-Filipino tourist stabbed to death by Armand Rajabpour-Miyandoab who pledged allegiance to ISIS in Arabic before the attack. - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/02/one-person-killed-and-another-injured-in-central-paris-attack ThePaganUK (talk) 21:22, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Is the designation "Islamic terrorism"—or some (near-)synonym such as "Islamist terrorism" or "jihadist terrorism"—attributable to official sources? TompaDompa (talk) 22:03, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

1)https://www.timesofisrael.com/man-killed-in-suspected-terror-stabbing-in-paris-attacker-allegedly-upset-over-gaza/

2)https://www.euronews.com/2023/12/03/german-tourist-fatally-stabbed-in-paris-in-suspected-terrorist-attack

3)https://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2023/12/02/attaque-a-paris-une-personne-tuee-et-une-autre-blessee-l-assaillant-interpelle_6203579_3224.html

I'm going to assume there's still some weird obsession with only using Europol as a source on this?ThePaganUK (talk) 10:22, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Europol is not the only source that can be used, but it has the benefit of enabling us to say "Europol classified the attack as jihadist terrorism" (or similar). Who would you attribute the designation to in this case? TompaDompa (talk) 17:55, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
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