Talk:Israel–Lebanon relations

Different model?

This article, as well as Israel–Syria relations and Iraq–Israel relations, is quite problematic. It's not just that the states of Israel and Lebanon hasn't 'normal relationshiå', but Lebanon, Syria and Iraq does not (and has never) recognized the state of Israel. Thus having articles included in 'Bilateral relations of ...' categories become misleading. My proposal is to make some changes in these articles, making clear that they are not part of the 'x country-y country relations' articles, remove them from the 'foreign relations' templates and to make them as articles categorized under the Arab-Israeli conflict instead. --Soman (talk) 08:30, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Not sure what became of this. I do understand the rationale here however I feel that the aim of the articles is to explain bilateral relations - Israel and Syria do have bilateral relations even though they do not have formal diplomatic relations and Syria does not recognise Israel's right to exist. They interact at the UN (perhaps speaking at rather than to each other), and they interact through intermediaries, including the UN and Red Cross right at the cease-fire line. Conflict is also a form of relationship, albeit a generally undesirable one. Ergo, I think the articles should stay as they are. Robert Brockway (talk) 11:03, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

It seems to me unbalanced to mention that Israel views travel to Lebanon as illegal while omitting: "Travel to or from Israel is illegal in Lebanon. You may be refused entry into Lebanon if your passport bears an Israeli visa, an Israeli border stamp, or an Egyptian or Jordanian border stamp issued by an office bordering Israel, as such a stamp could indicate you visited Israel prior to visiting Lebanon." (source https://travel.gc.ca/destinations/lebanon) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Groovy2shoes (talk • contribs) 18:08, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

The photo of rescuing of the woman is a PR photo from IDF. Is it possible to show this more clearly to the reader? The account of how the woman was recued - what is the source? It describes a positive action from IDF, but is this individual incident representative under this heading? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.84.83.189 (talk) 14:21, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Added sources regarding Lebanese GDP and penalties issued for spies and treason convicts in Lebanon (as well as for the de facto suspension of the death penalty in Lebanon) These sources are perfectly reliable (coming straight from the IMF, The Daily Star and a renowned trusted NGO. Any further edits shall be founded on concrete evidence contradicting these already provided, as FACTS are strictly not open for discussion. Thank you Mohammad Abulhassan (talk) 13:45, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 July 2019

There should be a section about the maritime border dispute between Israel and Lebanon, as discussed in these pieces: HeadofNoState (talk) 20:52, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

References

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. You'll need to write the paragraph you want added yourself. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 14:01, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Add a new section

Add a new section about israeli violation of the Lebanese airspace and constant violation of the 1701(2006) resolution. Looper147 (talk) 21:29, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 October 2020

Section → Natural gas dispute: In October 2020, Israel and Lebanon held US-mediated direct negotiations to resolve their maritime border dispute, for the first time in 30 years. source 1 source 2 14.39.247.56 (talk) 20:53, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

 Done Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 16:48, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 October 2020

last sentence: hosted by not hosted buy ! 220.118.232.101 (talk) 11:59, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

 Done Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 15:53, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 August 2021

Change Benjamin Netanyahu to Naftali Bennett / Isaac Herzog (the label "leader" is rather ambiguous). 180app (talk) 21:42, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲𝘁𝗮𝗹𝗸 00:01, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 September 2021

Change Israel’s current leader from Benjamin Netanyahu to Naftali Bennett 2601:2C6:4300:7120:4D78:1022:2703:D5F7 (talk) 19:36, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

 Done Melmann 13:49, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

The photo "Tel Aviv city hall lit in the colors of the Lebanese flag after the 2020 Beirut explosion" and WP:UNDUE

This photo does not respect Wikipedia:Reliable sources and undue weight, if we consider the text, and sources, which evoke wars between the two countries, an occupation of territory which lasted 18 years, and thousands of civilians killed.

This photo evokes an extremely marginal aspect of the relations between Israel and Lebanon, of which it gives an inaccurate image.

This choice can even be considered as an example of iconographic Wikipedia:POV-pushing.

The photo must be removed ; maybe replaced with a card of bombings ? In any case, it has no place at the beginning of the article. JMGuyon (talk) 15:00, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

(sorry for my ENglish, I am from another language version of Wikipedia)--JMGuyon (talk) 18:24, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:18, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

"Change X to Y" format : Please remove this File : "File:Tel Aviv City Hall 050820 Beirut 01.jpg|thumb|250px|Tel Aviv city hall lit in the colors of the Lebanese flag after the 2020 Beirut explosion", because it is controversial.

Some sources that present this flag as controversial :

• World Israel News : https://worldisraelnews.com/tel-avivs-lebanese-flag-display-sparks-backlash-including-in-lebanon/
• According to Near East News Agency (Nena News), Agenzia Stampa Vicino Oriente : it is a bluewashing operation : https://nena-news.it/opinion-israeli-bluewashing-rubs-salt-into-lebanons-wound/
• +972 Magazine  : ″Tel Aviv’s flag show can’t cover up Israel’s role in Lebanon’s crisis″
• The Electronic Intifada : https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/tamara-nassar/israel-destroyer-lebanon-poses-its-saviorJMGuyon (talk) 23:21, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

 Partly done Misleading image moved down the article. a!rado🦈 (C✙T) 15:21, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Is it possible please to remove the file ? Thank you.--JMGuyon (talk) 22:58, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: I don't think the existence of the image in the article constitutes WP:UNDUE weight. Importantly, it does not a promote a certain viewpoint or opinion; if it had a caption along the lines of "the countries' relations are mostly peaceful", that might be improper. Undue weight refers to viewpoints or opinions, and I don't think it directly applies here. I also don't see what POV this is supposed to push; is anyone arguing that the countries' relations are very positive? I don't get that impression from the article.

However, I do think some of the material in the timeline section could be supported with additional images. Perhaps that would also be more in line with your vision for the article. Do you have suggestions for some additional images to provide here? Actualcpscm (talk) 12:47, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Inaccurate and disrespectful

This article diminishes the horrible war crimes that Israel has done towards Lebanon by changing the image of the war, making it “friendly”. Whereas, this war was clearly initiated by the Israel government. The photo of tel aviv having the Lebanese flag lit. Is entirely not acceptable and disrespectful towards the thousands of Lebanese citizens who died due to Israel occupation. This should not follow Wikipedia guidelines and should be changed and removed to show the true perspective. 184.147.77.95 (talk) 11:03, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

GDP and population use old data

It uses the 2015/14 report which is really outdated 2A10:8012:7:1651:188:F7EC:656B:22DF (talk) 16:21, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 March 2024

Merge Ali al-Jarrah into Israel–Lebanon relations#Alleged spying arrests in Lebanon.

Example:

One such instance is the case of Ali al-Jarrah, a Lebanese man who has accused of spying for Israel for 25 years.<ref name=NYT>Worth, Robert F. (18 February 2009). "Lebanese in Shock Over Arrest of an Accused Spy". The New York Times. Retrieved 19 February 2009. He was recruited by Israel to photograph Hezbollah supply routes and frequently moved between the Lebanon-Syria border. In 2011, a military court in Lebanon sentenced al-Jarrah to life in prison. 199.111.212.92 (talk) 04:52, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

 Done * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 23:27, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Bachir Gemayel Assassination

The article states that "Before the elections, he was assassinated by the Syrian Social Nationalist Party, throwing Lebanon again into crisis." This is incorrect; Bachir was president elect when he was assassinated. 173.183.3.161 (talk) 22:04, 7 November 2024 (UTC)