Talk:Italian Libya

World War 2

Is there a "Main" article for "Libya in WW2" similar to Military history of Egypt during World War II or Tunisian Campaign? The section here is nowhere near comprehensive. Roger (talk) 09:41, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

If you want, Roger, create the article Allied occupation (1943–1951), with references to WWII in Libya....For me the article "Italian Libya" is well done as it is now. BD —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.77.198.199 (talk) 15:32, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Moslem

The article uses the word "moslem" a lot. Is this referring to a group or is it now just a misspelling of Muslim, meaning followers of the religion of Islam? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.254.162.192 (talk) 19:32, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Moslem is an older way of spelling Muslim. Both are technically right but in recent years most publications have switched to using Muslim. The word "Moslem" in Arabic has a connotation for evil. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.108.237.139 (talk) 01:53, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Agreed! MagnoliaSouth ^(talk) 17:49, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

What to do with the articles Italian Libya, Fourth Shore and Italian North Africa ?

	Italian Libya	Italian North Africa	Fourth Shore
Scope	The territories of Italian Cyrenaica, Italian Tripolitania, Fezzan from 1911 to 1943	The 3 Libyan provinces + Tunisia and Western Egypt, from 1911 to 1943	This is a term Mussolini coinced in 1939 to refer to refer to Italian North Africa
Content	History of Italian Libya	Very short, focus into administrative history of Italian colonies in North Africa.	Long, a lot of the content is similar to the one available in Italian Libya, though there is some usefull content about Tunisia

Actually, my goal is not to merge the 3 articles together, but at least two, and to focus the efforts into the Italian Libya article. In the Italian wikipedia "Fourth Shore" was redirected into Italian Libya, maybe we should do the same ? Some of the content of the Fourth Shore should then be merged into the Italian Libya article. Some of it is about Tunisia, but I found the article Italian Tunisians more comprehensive.--Kimdime (talk) 11:18, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

I'd say merge Italian North Africa and the Fourth Shore, the two articles are more about concepts of eventual colonization than about actual colonial history. Italian Libya is a well-defined and distinct topic, it certainly deserves an article on its own. Good luck with expanding it! Constantine ✍ 13:19, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi, in this case, where would you put the content of the article "Fourth Shore"?--Kimdime (talk) 14:30, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

OK, following this discussion, I have merged parts of Fourth Shore into Italian Libya, and another one into Italian North Africa. Following that, I redirected Fourth Shore into Italian Libya --Kimdime (talk) 17:52, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for the delayed reply, I agree with your moves. However, there should be at least some explanation of the Fourth Shore concept (specifically, the terminology section) in the Italian Libya article, since it redirects there. I'd suggest having a section titled "Fourth Shore" on the term. placing Libya within the context of Italian imperialism. Constantine ✍ 18:05, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

I totally agree, though I wouldn't call this section "Fourth Shore" but terminology. We could also explain there the use of Italian North Africa, Tripolitania, Cyrenaica. Though, what I'm looking for right now is some information about the use of Quarta Sponda. I've been reading that it was coinced by Gabriele d'Annunzio but I've asked Italian wikipedia to provide serious references. Anyway, feel free to edit the article, there is serious improvements to make. Regards--Kimdime (talk) 18:36, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

WOW! this is quite unbelievable ! found another article to merge : History of Libya as Italian colony--Kimdime (talk) 23:42, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Merging History of Libya as Italian colony into this article

There is absolutely no need for another article mentioning exactly the same thing, therefore, I suggest another merge--Kimdime (talk) 00:11, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

I totally agree King Philip V of Spain (talk) 09:11, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Be bold and merge it yourself. Vanjagenije (talk) 07:52, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Disagree. The article in question should be renamed "History of Italian Libya", but not merged.--21:54, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

NB: The map needs to be amended. Kufra needs to be described as ceded in 1912 and not 1919. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.183.124.127 (talk) 19:41, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Italian North Africa

Italian North Africa is cited many times in Italian history books as Africa Settentrionale Italiana (as can be found even in Italian wikipedia: it:Africa Settentrionale Italiana), and is related to the Italian East Africa named in Italian as Africa Orientale Italiana.

I want to pinpoint that: (1)Italian Libya is related to Libya when was part of the Italian empire as a united country formed by Tripolitania-Cyrenaica-Fezzan, from 1934 to 1943. (2) Colonial Libya is related the conquest and colonization of what was then Tripolitania -Cyrenaica and the Libyan Sahara, from 1911 to 1934. (3) Fourth Shore is related to the coast of Italian Libya that was united to the Kingdom of Italy in 1938. Italian North Africa is related to Italian Libya PLUS Tunisia occupied by Italy in november 1942 PLUS territories of western Egypt occupied temporarily by Italy during WWII....B.D.

Borders with Egypt

I find the article on borders with Egypt highly confusing and at times outright incorrect. I wonder where the information about the idea that British ceded Kufra to Italy came from, as it conflicts pretty much everything else, from Italian relationships with Senusi to the borders of Egypt defined under British agreement with Ottoman Empire. The agreement with Egypt on borders was indeed ratified in 1925, but there is no evidence that Kufra belonged to British, or was even occupied by British, prior to that agreement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.96.180.245 (talk) 16:23, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

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Migration of 1938.

I see a lot of mention of 1934 and 1939 but nothing about the mass migration of 1938. I don't know if you have to log in or not, but here is part 1 of the article and part 2 of the article. It is from the 29 October 1938 issue of The San Bernardino County Sun (though it is an AP article), pages 1 and 2. It says that 12,000 migrants were moving to Libya and they had to profess being a Fascist in order to go. There is more on it such as age and gender limits. Some women gave birth to babies on the train ride itself! I just thought those passionate about this article may find this useful and this does need mentioning. I'm not an expert on the subject so I just thought I'd share it. MagnoliaSouth ^(talk) 18:00, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

"Italian Libya" vs Italian Libya

Note that in the lede of this article, it is explained that the entire region was called "Italian Libya" generally pre-1934 despite being 2 separately administered colonies then. There is however a general article covering the full extent of "Italian Libya" colonization 1911-1943 in Italian colonization of Libya. But the Tripolitania, Cyrenaicaand this article are about the separate administrative entities. --Havsjö (talk) 21:10, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

The two articles could usefully be merged. --Dans (talk) 12:57, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

I agree with Dans. Generalrelative (talk) 00:14, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Remove "Pacification campaign"

This page is about the 1934-1943 period of t he colony. The Pacification of Libya happened before (1923-1932). The phrase in the lead section about it and the "Pacification Campaign" section are already wrote in the pages Italian Cyrenaica and Italian colonization of Libya respectively (the exact same sentences). In my opinion they can be removed as already wrote in the correct pages, and the reference in the History section is sufficient. DavideVeloria88 (talk) 18:09, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

I disagree strongly with DavideVeloria88. Historical background is essential for this page. By way of comparison, imagine a version of the page United States without the sections Indigenous peoples and pre-Columbian history and Effects on and interaction with native populations, which cover the period prior to 1776. Any attempt to erase these sections would be a transparent effort to cover up historical facts (i.e. the colonization of Native American peoples) that paved the way for the founding of the United States. In a similar way, efforts to tell the story of Italian Libya without highlighting the brutal, decade-long "pacification campaign" that made its establishment possible would amount to a lie by omission, the purpose of which could only be –– as far as I can tell –– to flatter Italian chauvinism. Generalrelative (talk) 18:14, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Disputed edit

I invite IP 2001:a61:2a6f:8c01:e5d3:2184:62dc:8b6c to discuss their preferred changes to the article lead here rather than edit warring. Generalrelative (talk) 23:24, 7 February 2023 (UTC)