Talk:Italian nobility

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Shouldn't this be "Nobility of Italy"? I don't see any reason to use the term "peerage". Uppland 19:36, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Ultima normativa ufficiale riguardante l'Ordinamento dello Stato Nobiliare Italiano.

Secondo l'ultimo Ordinamento dello Stato Nobiliare Italiano all'art. 3 del Regio Decreto 7 giugno 1943, n. 651 (G.U. n. 170 SUPPL. ORD. del 24/07/1943) la gerarchia dei titoli nobiliari è la seguente: "Sono concessi dal Sovrano i titoli di Principe, Duca, Marchese, Conte, Visconte, Barone e Nobile. Sono riconosciuti, oltre quelli sopracitati, se derivano da antiche concessioni, anche i titoli di Signore, Cavaliere ereditario, Patrizio e Nobile di determinate città. Il titolo di Nobile è comune agli insigniti di ogni altro titolo." Per quanto riguarda il trattamento e le qualifiche nobiliari l'art. 38 e l'art. 39 del Regio Decreto 7 giugno 1943, n. 651 (G.U. n. 170 SUPPL. ORD. del 24/07/1943) dispone: "Ai titoli nobiliari non sono attribuite qualifiche o trattamenti, senza speciale concessione del Re Imperatore. In Italia il Gran Maestro del S.M.O. di Malta gode il titolo di Principe e il trattamento di Altezza Eminentissima." "Spetta la qualifica di « Donna » alle consorti dei personaggi indicati nelle categorie 1a e 2a dell'Ordine delle precedenze a Corte e nelle funzioni pubbliche secondo le disposizioni dei Regi decreti che regolano tale materia. La suddetta qualifica si conserva per tutto lo stato vedovile. Sono mantenute le qualifiche di «Don» e « Donna»: a) ai componenti delle famiglie che abbiano ottenuta speciale concessione; b) ai componenti delle famiglie insignite dei titoli di Principe e di Duca, e a quelli delle due famiglie marchionali romane così dette di Baldacchino; c) ai componenti delle famiglie sarde decorate simultaneamente del Cavalierato ereditario e della Nobiltà; d) ai componenti delle famiglie dell'attuale Lombardia in grado di provare: 1) che la loro nobiltà fu riconosciuta prima del 1796 in base alle disposizioni emanate dall'Imperatrice Maria Teresa per la revisione nobiliare nelle terre della Lombardia austriaca o confermata dopo il 1814 con Sovrana Risoluzione quale era stata goduta prima del 1796; 2) che si trovano nelle stesse condizioni nobiliari di cui al comma 1, pur non avendo avuto riconoscimento o conferma sotto il dominio austriaco; e) ai componenti delle famiglie dei territori dell'antico Ducato di Milano al tempo del dominio spagnolo ceduti ai Re Sabaudi dal 1714 al 1748, quando nel Ducato subentrò il dominio austriaco, che siano in grado di provare il possesso della nobiltà già al tempo del dominio spagnolo accompagnato dall'uso del Don nei propri ascendenti diretti in linea mascolina prima del distacco dei territori predetti dal Ducato. Tale uso deve essere attestato da atti ufficiali di Governo o del Senato di Milano, ed eventualmente da opere anteriori al 1714. Sono mantenute ai Patrizi veneti le qualifiche di « Nobil Homo» (N. H.) e di «Nobil Donna» (N. D.)."--79.22.214.5 (talk) 16:42, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Comune or Commune ??

"Typically, Italian comunes (also in the Kingdom of Naples) and Republics granted the title of Patrician, which was only regarded as a rank of nobility in Italy." I guess that the link is wrong, it should probably be "Commune" so http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_commune Cunibertus (talk) 12:29, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

inheritance, grants, and what not

Were Italian titles inherited by primogeniture? I know that Italy was divided into many states, but most of them were part of the Holy Roman Empire, part of the Papal states, or part of one of the Sicilies. Take into account Napoleon and there are four major granters of nobility prior to unification. 71.194.44.209 (talk) 04:27, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

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What is this article about?

I am confused by this article. It's about the nobility of Italy, but then it contains information about residences of rulers and the names of the reigning houses? First and foremost, it seems that the author(s) do(es) not seem to recognize the difference between reigning families (commonly called royalty, although many reigning families were below the order of kings) and nobility (a social class that was/is below the reigning families and was created by them by the way of giving titles, land, etc.) This is the only explanation as to why the section on reigning families (even though the section is called "Noble houses") is on this page in the first place. Secondly, why is in this same section ("Palaces and noble houses) a list of palaces which were residences of Italian monarchs? These palaces should be in the Palaces of Italy page or in some other page with information about reigning families of Italy, Italian Architecture or the like. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.20.225.120 (talk) 12:09, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Improvement of the list of personages in the “Gallery”

I’ve added two more to the number of items under the “Gallery” section and have replaced a number of the examples with more famous and more historically important contemporaries. These replacements include: Paolo Malatesta (of Divine Comedy fame), the doges of Venice Francesco Foscari (longest-serving) and Ludovico Manin (last), Renaissance patron Lorenzo de' Medici, Cardinal Federico Borromeo (of I promessi sposi fame, and also founder of the Biblioteca Ambrosiana in Milan), poet Giacomo Leopardi, 1st Prime Minister of Italy Count Cavour, and two more 20th century examples in novelist Giuseppe di Lampedusa and socialite-jeweller Fulco di Verdura (both examples of specifically Sicilian aristocrats). Aleksandar Dancer (talk) 02:31, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

There will be no violation of the White Cross

Explaining the citation issues on Wikipediais a long drawn out issue. I am anonymously placing this to warn people we cannot use peninsular wars on foreign country of Italy. My grandfather is from there. I am not at war with culture or to cancel nobility in Italy. I have the right to protect it by name at birth. I have the right to acquie dual citizenship or get a passport. Otherwise we will have definite conflicts with wine industry or any trade from there. Please assist in protecting heritage for papel or black nobility. 170.62.21.182 (talk) 19:41, 5 June 2024 (UTC)