Talk:Jägala Waterfall
Latest comment: 8 months ago by Tammbeck in topic Correct Naming Patterns
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Correct Naming Patterns
editDoremo, this sort of confusion is expected if you insist on using a rare name instead of the one which is common in English-language sources. Likely someone will move the article again later on. You add three sources (two of which are quite dated) for "Jägala Falls", but this hardly proves anything as it's much easier to find at least as reliable sources for "Jägala Waterfall". I also still think that your premise on single natural English naming pattern is incorrect (see our previous discussion here: Talk:Keila Falls). 2001:7D0:81DB:1480:65B1:ED34:FEE9:735E (talk) 10:08, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
- The point is that "X Falls" is overwhelmingly the common way that waterfalls are named in English. One can also find sources for "Jägala juga Waterfall" and "Waterfall Jägala", but that doesn't mean they're good names either. Doremo (talk) 10:30, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
- I think the point is that the original move to "Jägala Falls" was clearly not entirely uncontroversial. As such I would suggest the article reverts to its original title and a move discussion is initiated. Tammbecktalk 10:50, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you; the suggestion is appreciated. However, cleaning up poor grammar should be uncontroversial. Instead, some kind of attempt should be made to show that "X Waterfall" is a default or natural naming pattern in English. Doremo (talk) 11:55, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
- OK, we can keep the discussion informal. "X Waterfall" is clearly more recognisable per WP:UCRN. I don't agree that "X Falls" is overwhelmingly the common way that waterfalls are named in English. This is certainly not the case in the UK and you haven't shown that it's the case in English language sources about Estonia. As for grammar, you haven't shown how your preferred title is an improvement, at least not in this thread. Tammbecktalk 15:31, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
- Common UK patterns are "X Falls", "X Force", "X Linn", and "X Spout". One issue with waterfall names in England is that the waterfalls tend to be in the hilly peripheral areas of the country, and so interesting but less typical English words are encountered (e.g., force from Old Norse, and linn from Gaelic). Looking at lists of the world's best-known or tallest waterfalls, the pattern is consistent: Angel Falls, Horseshoe Falls, Kadamaian Falls, Niagara Falls, Sutherland Falls, Tugela Falls, Victoria Falls, etc., and so "X Falls" is clearly the most recognizable pattern. Doremo (talk) 16:25, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
- I have restored the original title of the article per the consensus in this thread. Tammbecktalk 16:46, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
- Common UK patterns are "X Falls", "X Force", "X Linn", and "X Spout". One issue with waterfall names in England is that the waterfalls tend to be in the hilly peripheral areas of the country, and so interesting but less typical English words are encountered (e.g., force from Old Norse, and linn from Gaelic). Looking at lists of the world's best-known or tallest waterfalls, the pattern is consistent: Angel Falls, Horseshoe Falls, Kadamaian Falls, Niagara Falls, Sutherland Falls, Tugela Falls, Victoria Falls, etc., and so "X Falls" is clearly the most recognizable pattern. Doremo (talk) 16:25, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
- OK, we can keep the discussion informal. "X Waterfall" is clearly more recognisable per WP:UCRN. I don't agree that "X Falls" is overwhelmingly the common way that waterfalls are named in English. This is certainly not the case in the UK and you haven't shown that it's the case in English language sources about Estonia. As for grammar, you haven't shown how your preferred title is an improvement, at least not in this thread. Tammbecktalk 15:31, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you; the suggestion is appreciated. However, cleaning up poor grammar should be uncontroversial. Instead, some kind of attempt should be made to show that "X Waterfall" is a default or natural naming pattern in English. Doremo (talk) 11:55, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
- I think the point is that the original move to "Jägala Falls" was clearly not entirely uncontroversial. As such I would suggest the article reverts to its original title and a move discussion is initiated. Tammbecktalk 10:50, 15 February 2024 (UTC)