Talk:Józef Kiedroń

Article name

It would appear from the document at http://untreaty.un.org/unts/60001_120000/14/32/00027595.pdf that he signed his name Jósef Kiedroń. Same person, isn't it? that should likely be the article's name, and neither it nor Josef Kiedron should be redlinks. Gene Nygaard (talk) 16:47, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

He was Polish, so his correct name was Józef Kiedroń, which also appears many times in the document you have mentioned. The only single one at the end seems to be misspelt. - Darwinek (talk) 17:23, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

The end is, of course, the logical place to look for a signature. I see now that it is not the only place, and that it is indeed Józef Kiedroń in other places in the same document, as you have pointed out.

That, however, is not the only place which uses that spelling. In another treaty at http://untreaty.un.org/unts/60001_120000/14/32/00027594.pdf it is "Josef Kiedron" in the intro, and just "J. KIEDRON" in the signatures.

The other part of your statement is nonsense. He may be "Polish" in some sense of the term, but he was born in Austria-Hungary, died in Germany, worked in the Duchy of Teschen (in Austrian Silesia) which became a part of Czechoslovakia in his lifetime. Furthermore, even for Polish-speaking people living in Poland in the spelling of various names over time is no more uniform over time than that of most any other language. Also, the official language of these treaties signed by him was French. For now I'm satisfied that the article should probably stay where it is, but that doesn't mean that redlinks from the variant spellings wouldn't be useful. It should not be hidden from someone who reads that treaty with Denmark, and tries to look up the name found there. Gene Nygaard (talk) 18:42, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Sure, redirects are supposed to point readers to proper articles. He was a Polish in the normal national-ethnic sense of the term. Austria-Hungary was an imperialistic empire composed of dozens of national and ethnic groups. The fact that after the 1920 division of his homeland area between Czechoslovakia and Poland, he fled to Poland was not random. As a proud and patriotic Pole he advocated join with Poland, that's why he then fled to Poland, fearing persecution from Czechoslovak authorities. - Darwinek (talk) 19:01, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Since you seem to have taken an interest in the article, you might want to fix it so that he can be found. I notice you haven't done so, however. Doesn't matter to me, seems prety insignificant and could just as well remain hidden away or just be thrown out. Gene Nygaard (talk) 00:40, 28 January 2008 (UTC)