Talk:J. Howard Pyle

Sources

This article lacks sources. For future work on it: the book Under the Banner of Heaven by Jon Krakauer discusses the Short Creek raid in either the first or the second chapter, if I remember correctly. Stefan Kruithof (talk) 13:24, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Requested move 8 September 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved as requested per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 11:22, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

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John Howard Pyle → J. Howard Pyle – The criteria for an article name are recognizability, naturalness, precision, concision, and consistency. J. Howard Pyle—currently a redirect to John Howard Pyle—is, based on high-quality reliable secondary sources, the common name of the topic, who was rarely called "John Pyle" and much more frequently called either "J. Howard Pyle" or "Howard Pyle". See the following (bolding added):

• Politics in America: 1945–1964 (Congressional Quarterly, 1965): Governors of the States Since 1944 [...] J. Howard Pyle (R) (110)
• "J. Howard Pyle Dead; Ex-Arizona Governor", The New York Times, December 1, 1987: J. Howard Pyle, Governor of Arizona from 1951 to 1955 and an aide to President Eisenhower, died here Sunday
• Donald W. Carson and James W. Johnso, Mo: The Life & Times of Morris K. Udall (University of Arizona Press, 2001), The GOP began to break through in 1950 with the surprise election of J. Howard Pyle as governor (58)
• Andrew Murr, "Look Past Polygamy", Newsweek, May 12, 2008: The governor, J. Howard Pyle
• Thomas G. Smith, "Worshipping at the Grand Canyon: The Shrine of the Ages Chapel Controversy", Journal of Arizona History (Autumn 2012): 221–252: J. Howard Pyle, a statewide radio celebrity who had been elected governor in 1950 (224)
• Elizabeth Tandy Shermer, Sunbelt Capitalism: Phoenix and the Transformation of American Politics (University of Pennsylvania Press, 2013): Goldwater told friend, reporter, and future governor Howard Pyle (161)
• Donald T. Critchlow, Republican Character: From Nixon to Reagan (University of Pennsylvania Press, 2018): They asked J. Howard Pyle, a local radio celebrity, to provide the keynote speech [...] he was approached afterward to run for governor (89)

J. Howard Pyle as the article title is more recognizable (it's what a reader aware of who J. Howard Pyle is would expect), it's natural (it's his usual, normal name), it's precise (there is no other J. Howard Pyle article on Wikipedia), it's concise (it's shorter than John Howard Pyle), and it's consistent (as WP:UCRN explains, full names that aren't the common name generally aren't used for biographies: J. K. Rowling (not: Joanne Rowling), making this article name more consistent with our conventions for naming biographies). This move will also help editors research the topic for improving the article; I was stymied when I was looking for "John Pyle" and "John Howard Pyle" but was able to find quality secondary sources about the topic by looking up "Howard Pyle" and "J. Howard Pyle".

The artist born in 1953 is the primary topic for the link Howard Pyle, so this article should not be moved to that target. But it can rightly be moved to J. Howard Pyle, which is the common name of this article's topic and naturally disambiguates him from the artist Pyle. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 08:03, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 18:44, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support per nom. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:11, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.