Talk:J. L. Granatstein

Titles

Do we really need to have Professor in the initial mention of his name? Also do we need to mention all of his degrees as part of his name? (Especially his BA and MA given that he has a PhD.) Any thoughts? Cjrother 23:03, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

I have one thought: less is more. HistoryBA 00:03, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree. (unsigned)

Professor seems to have been removed now. Any objections to removing BA and MA? Cjrother 18:23, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

I would keep OC, FRSC, and PhD. The rest can go, as far as I'm concerned. HistoryBA 00:54, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

I've taken out the BA and MA but I left the LLD. I'm not sure if that is a real degree or if it is honorary. Cjrother 21:29, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

This really needs a better list of his books. The article says he's written 60, you have 5. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.119.230.46 (talk) 17:26, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Requested move 12 May 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Consensus to move to J. L. Granatstein. The assertion that this is the author's common name across a variety of media has not been effectively refuted. The search results clearly favor the proposal. As noted by 24.77.*, the COMMONNAME policy does not mandate "firstname secondname" form when another one is much more common. No such user (talk) 14:28, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

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Jack Granatstein → J. L. Granatstein – WP:COMMONNAME, Google Scholar results 4,740 vs. 1,850, most or all of his publications are under the form with initials (t · c) buidhe 08:52, 12 May 2021 (UTC) —Relisting. ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 10:08, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

• Support for reasons given. Tkbrett (✉) 12:12, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
• Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 14:40, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose While his books have been published as J.L. Granatstein, his Candian Encyclopedia article, Order of Canada citation, various faculty profiles [1] [2] [3], and, FWIW, his own LinkedIn, use "Jack". 162 etc. (talk) 15:04, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

What bearing does the Order of Canada citation have here? Those citations consistently use full names irrespective of common usage. And The Canadian Encyclopedia seems to avoid using initials in biography titles as a matter of policy (they even title their article on J. S. Woodsworth "James Shaver Woodsworth"!). 24.77.42.223 (talk) 23:36, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose. Many reliable sources refer to him as Jack Granatstein, as listed above. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:07, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. Another case of someone following authors preferred title rather than 3rd party sources - which refer to him as Jack Granatstein, as listed above. In ictu oculi (talk) 22:06, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

  How do you figure that third-party sources are being disregarded in favour of the author's preference? The Google Scholar and Google Books results presented as rationale for the move clearly suggest that third-party sources point to the proposed title. And based on the evidence provided by 162 etc., the author's preference isn't even clear. 24.77.42.223 (talk) 23:36, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

• Support – The Google Scholar results provided by buidhe and the Google Books n-gram speak for themselves. In the latter case, we see that "J. L. Granatstein" is used nearly five times as often as "Jack Granatstein", clearly suggesting "J. L. Granatstein" to be the WP:COMMONNAME. And looking at the WP:CRITERIA, I don't see any criterion that would suggest a preference for the existing title. 24.77.42.223 (talk) 23:36, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
• Support in other articles where he is mentioned, such as his book - Who killed Canadian History? he is refernced as so and has been since before this discussion. It is also how he is referenced on his book covers, where people would find him from external sources. Geeett (talk) 23:25, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Facts

Disappointed to see his spouse listed as totally incorrectly. What happened to basic fact-checking here? So strict keeping important women from gaining wiki bios, and still this. (OK rant over). JDHumphreys (talk) 00:44, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

On further review, this entire article is filled with misinformation and unsubstantiated claims. I have removed until each can be properly cited. JDHumphreys (talk) 00:54, 27 February 2024 (UTC)