Talk:JCPenney/Archives/2014

Biased Article

There is nothing mentioned about the company's difficulties throughout its history -- particularly absent is anything regarding its near-bankruptcy in the mid 1990's. In short, quite a rosy article. I recommend labeling it with a neutrality warning. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.133.159.143 (talk) 05:56, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

It's gotten better. I've removed it. Swordman97 ^{talk to me} — Preceding unsigned comment added by Swordman97 (talk • contribs) 22:13, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Penncrest

A wide variety of consumer goods were market by J.C. Penney under the Penncrest brand. While some of its current private brands are mentioned, Penncrest is notoriously absent. SilentJman (talk) 14:31, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Request Articles created for CEO & VP

• Mike E. Ullman, Chairman & CEO
• William J. Alcorn, Executive Vice President
  • Thanks! Jccort (talk) 17:33, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Hawaii

The articles states that "The company operates 1,067 stores in 49 of the 50 U.S. states (except Hawaii)". Is this correct? The website appears to show that there are JC Penney stores in Hawaii and the article states lower down that one opened in 1966. And I remember going to one in the Ala Moana Shopping Centre. Can someone check this? --Mezaco (talk) 19:35, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Brandy is your best customer EVER!!!!! <3 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.121.19.102 (talk) 16:39, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

JCPenney had stores in Hawaii but they have since closed. Hawaii may still have Catalog Desks or JCPenney custom decorating studios. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.214.229.110 (talk) 05:41, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Important add needed

Macy's an Jc penney are like coke and pepsi,that should be mentioned in the articile— —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.90.29.229 (talk) 23:04, 7 June 2009 (UTC) No they aren't, and no it shouldn't. 99.98.221.223 (talk) 04:28, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Please check this information

"Rumors have been going around that a man named Tim Garbonzo is going to buy the company and turn it into a mega video game store with games from the 1970's to the present. Garbonzo plans to do the same with rival department store Macy's. Mscy's and JCPenny have been rumored to be leaning into Garbonzo's offer."

Can someone please look into this. It just seems false and unsupported and completely made up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Themovieboy (talk • contribs) 00:31, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

The information was removed. If someone believes it is correct they will need to provide a reliable source so it can be verified. There is no reason to do anything else. ~~ GB fan ~~ ^talk 01:06, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Corporate name and trade names in lede

The first sentence appears to confuse the company's corporate name with its trade name. ("J. C. Penney Company, Inc. (formerly Penney's) (NYSE: JCP) is a chain...")

The History section says the corporate name was changed from "JCP Company" to J.C. Penney Company in 1912. I can't find any reference indicating it was ever changed to "Penney's" and back to "J.C. Penney Company". "Penney's" appears to be merely a trade name the company used for a time. (The current equivalent trade name would be "JCPenney".) The sidebar on the Penney's logo says the logo was used from 1963 to 1971, so the trade name was probably used during that period.

(I was a kid in 1963 so I remember when they adopted the Penney's trade name (to agree with the popular name most of us used for it), but I wasn't following the company's corporate events at the time.)

Someone out there knows these things. Be bold and correct this! Frappyjohn (talk) 02:10, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Per my suggestion above, I have now deleted the reference to "Penney's" as a former corporate name. Frappyjohn (talk) 08:48, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

I see where someone reverted my change without including a citation, but misspelling "Penney's" as "Penny's". Someone then corrected the spelling. I have undone all that. In the meantime someone has changed the styling of the trade name "JCPenney" to "jcpenney." This appears to agree with the usage at the company website. However nowhere in our article do we discuss trade names and define either "JCPenney" or "jcpenney" as the current trade name (or "Penney's" as a former trade name). Perhaps just tack onto the lede "... currently doing business under the trade name "jcpenney."? [I am really surprised there is no one from the company monitoring these things.] Frappyjohn (talk) 17:53, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Major Errors in This Article!

JCPenney Company was found as The Golden Rule store in 1902. There is no such thing as "The JCP Store. JCPenney does not have a shop called "Marketplace Cafe" in any of its locations. The article is in need of fact based information. Sephora inside JCPenney shops are not a leased department, they are stores-within-stores owned and operated by JCPenney Company in partnership with Sephora. This article not only doesn't mention the company's hard times in the late 90s, it also does have anything details on the radical changes that have been named over the past -7 years. Ohh, and it's JCPenney, NOT JCPenny! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.233.67.3 (talk) 00:14, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

You sound more knowledgeable than most. Go to work on it yourself! Frappyjohn (talk) 08:46, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

penneys?

There in a logo in the article that says "penneys", but there is nothing in the article that says that the store ever went by that name. WTF? 69.152.196.216 (talk) 17:45, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

I actually remember seeing a J C Penney in 1993 in Pennsylvania (Scranton?) that still had this logo, I couldn't believe it. My grandmother always referred to the stores as Penney's in the 70s and 80s. 04:23, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Dawn of the Dead

The JC Penney store in the Monroeville Mall was featured prominently in the original Dawn of the Dead movie. Is that worthy of a mention? 174.71.93.245 (talk) 05:12, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Telemarketing

Should the article mention JC Penney's telemarketing campaigns? They're amply documented. That's why I stopped shopping there over a decade ago. Bostoner (talk) 03:53, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Commercial Mountain Wagon

A Commercial Mountain Wagon that was used to deliver goods to the first J.C. Penny store in Kemmerer, WY, was recently restored by Wagon Land Adventures. See the wagon in the photo gallery. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rmbring (talk • contribs) 00:57, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

70s-80s Logo?

I edited the caption on the logo since the author captioned it "1970s-80s logo, retired in 2011". That makes ABSOLUTELY no sense! How is it only a 70s-80s logo if it was used in the 70s, 80s, 90s, 2000s, and 2010s? My new edit says "JCPenney logo used from 1971 to 2011" 99.98.221.223 (talk) 04:26, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Not moved Mike Cline (talk) 15:27, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

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J. C. Penney → JCPenney – While the official name of the company is "J. C. Penney," it is much more commonly spelled as "JCPenney." Sears & Roebuck falls under a similar situation, and is titled as Sears, because it is the most commonly used name. "J. C. Penney" pulls up about 800,000 results on Google, while "JCPenney" pulls up multiple millions of results. 75.130.102.69 (talk) 17:51, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Comment – but for how much longer? It seems Wikipedia is late to the party, this year (see J. C. Penney#Logo), the company deprecated the name Penney. Now they're stylized as jcp—you don't hardly find "Penney" on their website anymore, but for the legal pages. This naturally leads to the question of whether they are yet the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for jcp. Wbm1058 (talk) 01:59, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Oppose on basis of MOS:TM.--Labattblueboy (talk) 03:28, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Comment Right, per MOS:TM, use JCP, that's a DAB for which no article is currently primary. (Using all caps is preferred if the letters are pronounced individually) Not clear under which TM rule JCPenney would be disqualified, unless CamelCase, which is a judgment call: CamelCase may be used where it reflects general usage and makes the trademark more readable. Wbm1058 (talk) 04:04, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

JCPenney is disqualified because we employ the "style that most closely resembles standard English, regardless of the preference of the trademark owner". The proposed title ends up being heard as "gssspennie", not "jay see pennie". I would disqualify JCP under the same consideration (not to mention MOS:ABBR and WP:ALLCAPS.--Labattblueboy (talk) 14:22, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Oppose. – tend to agree with Labattblueboy. I feel that they are, in the short term anyway, stabbing themselves in the foot with their frequent re-branding. Who knows what is established as the common name in consumers' minds at this point? Default to the best established, long-term brand name as the common name, which is the current title. Way too soon to say that they are another KFC. – Wbm1058 (talk) 14:40, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose -- If the official name is "J. C. Penney" that is where the article should be. However there is no objection to having "JCPenney" as a redirect, since it is clearly a likely search term. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:33, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

  No, we use common names not official names when they are different, e.g. Bill Gates not William Henry Gates III. — A. di M.  18:46, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

• Comment: Google matches synonyms, alternative spellings, alternative punctuations etc. with each other: if I search for JCPenney it also finds results which do include the dots and vice versa. Also, the hit number estimates have been shown to sometimes be off even by an order of magnitude when above a few thousand. See WP:SET#References #8, 12, and 13. — A. di M.  18:46, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose; the concatenation is a stylization that we need not follow. Google result counters are almost completely meaningless over four or five figures. Powers ^T 02:26, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

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Earl Corder Sams - President from 1917 to 1950

• http://www.kansas.com/2012/11/12/2564659/kansan-helped-retail-giant-expand.html • Sbmeirow • Talk • 23:28, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Link for Morgan and Sampson USA is has incorrect info.

Link number 39 Morgan and Sampson USA has some incorrect info. For one, JC Penney has not used the Its all inside slogan since 2007. This is even written about in the JC Penney article on Wikipedia. It went from the Its all inside slogan to Everyday matters slogan. second thing incorrect on the link is the JC Penney Direct section,which says the following-JCPenney is America’s largest direct merchant for general merchandise. This catalog network is the largest in the US. The 4 state-of-the-art logistics centers process over 33 million orders a year. JCPenney Direct publishes 94 different catalogs each year which serve distinct consumer groups. Over 384 million catalogs are distributed annually, with sales of over $2.6 billion. JC Penney does not even have a catalog business anymore. They exited the catalog business in 2011. JC Penney leaving the catalog business with a link is in the Wikipedia article. Even though the Morgan and Sampson linked web site has a date stamp for today the site has not been updated 2005.i don't think this link should be used,as it is outdated, and contradicts other links and info in the JC Penney article.--BeckiGreen (talk) 03:24, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Considering what you put on my talk page and the reverting you engaged in with this article I've got to ask: you've been trying to get rid of the statement that JCP is one of the largest online retailers for weeks. Is that still your goal, and is that part of or are you just wanting to get rid of the link because you feel it's no longer relevant? Winkelvi (talk) 03:28, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

I just want the article to be correct. If you read the wiki article about JC Penney it does not match the info in the Morgan and Sampson link. The link has incorrect info.--BeckiGreen (talk) 03:33, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

I want the article to be correct, too. Here's to hoping there won't be anymore removal of content you previously removed. Winkelvi (talk) 03:38, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Lets work together please. I will be on here tomorrow afternoon because I have to go to sleep now. Also maybe you can find some links about Seattles best coffee because I think in the article it says that they are going to be putting the coffee stores in penny's ,but I read an article a while ago about Seattles best coffe pulling out of the deal with Penneys. I would look for the link now but I gotta get some sleep. --BeckiGreen (talk) 03:42, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Big Mac Work Clothes

I started wearing your Big Mac work shirts shortly out of High School (1966) and I'm disapointed to see that this line has been discontinued. It would be a welcome change to walk into my local JCP and find that line of quality clothing once again in my store. I'm sure that it's not for a lack of floor space. Big Mac can share the space you already have for work clothes. Perhaps a hard copy of your Work Wear Catalog may be useful.68.105.90.58 (talk) 04:51, 31 December 2013 (UTC)Gwblack

Old Logos

While revising the section on logos, I ran across an article that includes a graphic with many older Penney logos. Don't have time, and not sure how, to include them in this article, but someone else may:

• Article at BusinessInsider.com
• Graphic with logos included in article

Frappyjohn (talk) 07:28, 11 January 2014 (UTC)