Talk:Jaguarundi/GA1

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Reviewer: Usernameunique (talk · contribs) 23:20, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Taxonomy

• The first sentence is a bit contorted. Perhaps "In 1803 Étienne Geoffroy Saint-Hilaire described two specimens..."?

• Right, reworded.

• BhagyaMani seems to think differently about the wording, we could discuss it here. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 07:55, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Sorry to interfere here. As explained in my edit summary: the usual sequence in Taxonomy is first the taxon's name followed by author and year of publication of the description. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 08:27, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

• Link Felis?

• Linked in the next section. I don't think it would be relevant to mention and link the genus explicitly in Taxonomy as it is clear from the scientific name.

• The seven bulleted specimens are all sourced to the original papers. How was it determined that they were all actually probably jaguarundis?

• Back then authors usually described specimens as new species or subspecies of existing ones, and other authors would often argue many are just synonyms instead. So these are all supposed to be jaguarundis instead of a new species (and later we realize why not subspecies) based on several morphological features, but only 'probably' as it was not, say, genetically proved or something. I have now added a ref to prove these are considered synonyms today.

• Any word on what happened to the six that aren't in the Turin Museum of Natural History?

• Unable to find any reliable details of those. This part of the article was mostly written by another editor who seems to have access to the source.

• By "the source," do you mean the Turin Museum of Natural History? Also pinging BhagyaMani, who made that edit. --Usernameunique (talk) 07:18, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

• No I presumed the original article cited inline is the source. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 07:27, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

• In 2017, the IUCN Cat Specialist Group listed the jaguarundi as a monotypic taxon of the genus Herpailurus. Phylogeographical analysis of jaguarundi samples from across its range found no genetic evidence for subspecies. — Given that it looks like the analysis was in 2013, perhaps "Phylogeographical analysis of jaguarundi samples from across its range found no genetic evidence for subspecies, and in 2017 the IUCN Cat Specialist Group listed the jaguarundi as a monotypic taxon of the genus Herpailurus." Also, I would spell out IUCN.

• Right. Fixed.

Re: what happened to the six that aren't in the Turin Museum of Natural History? : These skins are probably still part of the collections of those museum, whose curators described them. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 07:39, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Re your thank you note: You are welcome. I removed the link to the museum in Turin so to make this consistent with the other list entries without the current locations of specimens; the more so as for Taxonomy, the type locality is the more important info. And just a small warning: this pdf in the url is ~30MB large with 602 pages. If I understand Holmberg's text correctly, he did not see those bones in the Turin museum himself, but only assumed that they were of a jaguarundi. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 08:19, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Infobox

• Distribution of the jaguarundi (2015) — What about the (possible) US ones?

• The map is based on the IUCN page. They probably do not have reports of confirmed sightings in the US (in fact they think they are probably wiped out of the country), hence the exclusion from the map shown there.

Lead

Phylogeny and evolution

• Can extripated be linked to local extinction?

• Done.

• (represented by H. pumoides) — What's this?

• It means it was one of the earliest species of the genus when it came into existence after the split. There may be other species which are extinct now but fossils of only this one have been found. Later the species we see today came into existence while H. pumoides died out.

Physical characteristics

• kittens are spotted for a short duration — Any photos to add somewhere in the article?

• None that I could find on Commons. There are pics on Flickr but we can't see the underside in those, just the plain coat. No useful detail added.

• earlier these morphs were considered two different species — When? Is it worth adding something to "Taxonomy" about this?

• The sources aren't clear when.. and I can't find any papers clarifying these are not two species. So I think it has more context in this section instead of Taxonomy.

Behavior and ecology

• an individual was recorded swimming across the Tuichi River (Bolivia). — How far is that?

• Not mentioned anywhere.

Diet

• [30][34][35][36] — Any reason for four citations here? It's not a big deal (and I frequently use a bunch of citations in a row myself), but it's curious that you do so in only one place.

• Actually no one source covers the full range of prey mentioned in the article, I picked bits from different sources so a bunch might be necessary.

• take 400 g (14 oz) vertebrate prey — of vertebrate prey?

• Means prey that are vertebrates.

Reproduction

• across the range — Across what range?

• The 'range' mentioned anywhere in the article, say in Taxonomy where we talk about the subspecies, refers to the whole area where the cat occurs.

• the coat color gradually changes — Does it tend to be from a particular color to another particular color?

• The source says 'in stages', not quite sure what it means so I stuck to 'gradually'.

• they simply play with it until the mother ingests it — Meaning once they see the mother eating it, they decide to follow her example?

• No they don't eat any prey till around 6 weeks.

• Lifespan up to 15 years has been recorded in captivity — What about in the wild? And should it be lifespans? Same comments for the relevant portion of the lead.

• No clear details about the wild.. probably because it is a poorly studied species. I think 'lifespan' suits better.. I mean the general lifespan of all individuals in the species as a whole.

Distribution and habitat

• The jaguarundi is noted for its resistance to environmental disturbances in its habitat; it can successfully thrive in reforested areas — Reforested, or deforested?

• Reforested. Means it can adapt even to areas that have been left to recover after a destruction of cover.

• It is possibly extinct in the US — But what about the following paragraph?

• Okay I should say they are only reports as such, and it is a pretty confusing situation. Reworded.

Threats and conservation

• The jaguarundi has been listed as Least Concern on the IUCN Red List since 2002. — What about pre-2002?

• No info on that.

• Populations in Mexico are listed under the Mexican Official Norm NOM-059-SEMARNAT-2010. — What's a "Mexican Official Norm"?

• Added a link

• Hunting jaguarundi is restricted in Peru and banned in Argentina, Belize, Brazil, Bolivia, Colombia, Costa Rica, French Guiana, Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico, Panama, Paraguay, Suriname, Uruguay, the US and Venezuela. — Is this a list of all the countries it inhabits, or are there some other countries that permit hunting?

• Not sure. Just added whatever I could find.

Overall

• Nice article, Sainsf. Have there been any efforts at domestication? --Usernameunique (talk) 01:54, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

• Thanks :) No, I could not find any reliable details on that or jaguarundi as pets. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 07:50, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for taking another article of mine :) I've gone through your comments and I'll reply to them soon. Cheers, and stay safe. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 04:35, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Sainsf. I've made a few more light edits to the article, and am now passing. --Usernameunique (talk) 17:20, 22 April 2020 (UTC)