Talk:Jaiden Animations

Real name

Some ip's have removed her real name, citing WP:BLPPRIVACY, however, even with the sparse coverage, the name is out there... on YouTube, imdb, medium.com, etc. So, "Wikipedia includes full names and dates of birth that have been widely published by reliable sources, or by sources linked to the subject such that it may reasonably be inferred that the subject does not object to the details being made public" would seem to apply, the last part in particular to the imdb and YouTube posts.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 17:21, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

I wouldn't cite anything off of IMDb, but Medium and Ten Eighty appear to be fair game. If she self-publishes her family name then that can be cited too. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:28, 28 June 2019 (UTC) updated 17:51, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

You're right AngusWOOF, I wouldn't use imdb as a source, my point with them is that they are even more careful regarding privacy than WP, and if someone objects to a real name, they will remove it. And those other sources were simply what I found in a 30 sec. search. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 17:44, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

I suspect that IMDB and YouTube are not at all reliable enough sources to justify this kind of BLP content. Furthermore, it is well known that she does not want her last name public, as you can see from the comments section of this page, for example, as well as from her videos in which she blurs out her last name. The issue of whether her last name should be included also came up in the first AFD and it ended up being removed before that version of the article was deleted. Therefore I think the last name should not be included (except maybe if TenEighty is considered to be a reliable source). IntoThinAir (talk) 17:59, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

There's a website called Teneighty that referred to her by her real name, but it's still questionable as privacy for now as the other major news sources (not Metro (UK)) aren't using it, and she doesn't self-disclose it. Medium is considered not reliable per WP:RSP, so I am striking my previous statement.AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 17:50, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

@Mbdfar:: I fail to see how the obituary is not enough to support the other instances of her being called Jaiden Dittfach elsewhere on the internet, such as being pointed out above it is on IMDB as well as her Linkedin, which has a picture of her clearly. Since we can't use those, what's needed is sources to support that. In the obituary, it says Hugo had grandchildren including Jaiden and Jaxen. Jaiden has repeatedly mentioned her brother Jax in videos, such as here (this wikipage uses her videos to cite info clearly) and in this video she talks about visiting family in Canada, where Hugo was a resident. Rusted AutoParts 20:55, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

@Rusted AutoParts: I'd invite you to read WP:OR. In short, there is no reliable source to back these claims. You are piecing together a bunch of unreliable sources, just because they corroborate with each other doesn't make them acceptable to use on a WP:BLP article. Mbdfar (talk) 21:03, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

What is unreliable about her own videos which I have stated have been previously used on this exact article to cite info? Rusted AutoParts 21:04, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

@Mbdfar: and isn't piecing together sources to back up information like, part of the process? It's not circumstantial or OR, it's literally supporting the info. Rusted AutoParts 21:11, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Does that video state her last name and relation to Hugo Dittfach? If not, you are using original research to cite a BLP article. Mbdfar (talk) 21:08, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

I've provided several pieces of evidence to support it, you being obtuse doesn't change that. Rusted AutoParts 21:12, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

No, you are violating WP:SYN. I'm not being obtuse, take it up with the policy writers. BLP articles should be held to a higher standard. Mbdfar (talk) 21:15, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

SYNTH? Lol. Whatever dude, have it your way. Rusted AutoParts 21:27, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

@Mbdfar: local newspaper article of her at the time with a picture of her. Is that good enough? Rusted AutoParts 21:32, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Lol using a middle school "newspaper" is pretty creepy. Do you honestly think thats a WP:RS? Mbdfar (talk) 21:49, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Why does her last name matter so much to you? Let her have her privacy until she chooses to publish it herself. Mbdfar (talk) 21:51, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Without commenting on reliability, that still doesn’t make the connection between her real name and her YouTube channel. Ideally, her name would be supported by a several reliable, secondary sources that clearly state that connection. Primary sources (like the obit used previously) can be iffy per WP:BLPPRIMARY. clpo13_(talk) 21:56, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

The source I linked is solely about her, with a photo included to prove it is indeed the same person in the infobox photo. Rusted AutoParts 22:03, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

@Mbdfar: It’s not a school paper, it’s a town paper. And it’s creepy to try and cite a last name you insist other sources can’t be used for? When has Wikipedia operated on giving people privacy when it’s constantly publishing details like birthday/education/health issues. And it doesn’t matter to me at all, but this is an encyclopedia, I thought info gathering is part of building the encyclopedia. Her last name is out there, I'm not the one exposing it. Since it’s literally a piece specifically about her I do not see how you can call it unreliable. Rusted AutoParts 21:57, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

It's not that the information is incorrect or that it can't be found in a quick Google search. WP:BLPPRIVACY states Wikipedia includes full names and dates of birth that have been widely published by reliable sources, or by sources linked to the subject such that it may reasonably be inferred that the subject does not object to the details being made public. We need to wait until she consistently uses the name on her channel or other public social media, or reputable news outlets begin to use it regularly. Neither situation is true in this case, and her entry reflects that. Only one citation to a local community paper from 2010 (way before her YouTube career) is not good enough, especially when she has explicitly expressed a desire to not have her full name published. Aranya (talk) 22:30, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

So with her last name now sourced with a different source, what is the hurdle with putting Hugo Dittfach in here? Rusted AutoParts 22:24, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Even if her last name was sourced properly, there is no link between Hugo Dittfach and Jaiden Animations in the obituary source. It says Hugo has a granddaughter named Jaiden, that's it. Any extrapolation on your part would fall under WP:OR, which is not allowed. If there is a reliable source that explicitly states the connection, then it would be mentionable. Based on the primary source video you cited, you could add that she has a brother Jax and family in Canada to her personal life section if you really wanted, but again, anything else is unsupported. Mbdfar (talk) 22:44, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Just to chime in: her surname can be seen in her interview with Anthony Padilla (10:00). Nehme₁₄₉₉ 11:55, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

That should be case closed but I sense it still won’t be satisfactory to other editors. Rusted AutoParts 19:40, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

This is definitely case closed. Even though Youtube usually isn't a reliable source, that's Jaiden herself referring to a picture signed "Jaiden Dittfach" as her own. I also remember seeing multiple articles describing er family with the name Dittfach, one of which leaked one of her mother's (Lynn Dittfach) facebook posts of her children (one of whom clearly matches Jaiden in appearance). The reliability is unquestionable and anybody who says otherwise is grasping at straws, the main issue now is whether it should be included since the legality of how her last name was found is questionable, but even then the Anthony Padilla interview is solid, legal, evidence. I would love to hear any fake excuses about Jaiden herself pointing to an artwork with her last name on it, saying it's hers, of being WP:OR just because she doesn't explicitly say "my name is Jaiden Dittfach" in those completely exact words, even though she referred to an artwork with the name as hers. If somebody argues that Jaiden doesn't want her last name out there, I'd agree in the past, but the subject herself gave casually mentioned that that was her full name. Unnamed anon (talk) 03:43, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Under basic human privacy, this content should not be added. Jaiden has officially requested that her surname NOT be added to the public. This is a direct violation of basic human privacy. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 14:18, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

@Unnamed anon Do NOT continue to add this content, I will not hesitate to contact an administrator if this becomes an issue. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 14:27, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

@PerryPerryD:, I think removing it because Jaiden requests not to have her last name be too public is fair, though you don't need to act so vitriolic about it. I do, however, think all claims of original research should be completely thrown out the window and that your claims of original research and hypocrisy are fully unwarranted, because during that interview, that is Jaiden herself stating that that is her name. Even though youtube isn't usually a reliable source, that changes when the subject (aka the primary source) confirms something themselves. Again, if Jaiden requests not to have her name there, sure, but the source is indisputable despite it being on youtube because that's the primary source herself. Unnamed anon (talk) 18:18, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

i talked directly with an administrator about the situation, the sources provided here were considered unreliable. this discussion was made on the Discord server. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 18:25, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

@Unnamed anon I apologize for my attitude about the situation however, I just felt that something was off. I Should not have acted that way, my mistake. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 18:26, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

@PerryPerryD: Thanks for apologizing. Can you post a screenshot, or quote, the admin (and their username, so I know who it was) who stated that the source was considered unreliable? I normally would agree that Youtube isn't a reliable source, but considering that this is the primary source and subject of the article, I thought it would be acceptable had the subject not wanted their last name not too public. Unnamed anon (talk) 18:30, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

I will have to get back to you with that, also the source in question was just the youtube source and some of the alternative sources mentioned above. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 18:32, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

@PerryPerryD:, can you show me the discord discussion? I'm not going to add in Jaiden's last name out of respect for her, but I don't think the youtube source should be considered unreliable when the subject of the article confirmed it. Even with the lack of secondary coverage, the youtube source isn't confirming anything minor like her favorite color, but rather something major like her last name (which, again, I'm not going to add out of respect for her). Unnamed anon (talk) 01:32, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

thats kind of difficult to acomplish on wikipedia PerryPerryD Talk To Me 01:35, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

@Unnamed anon Looking back at the discord discussion, the youtube video itself is a valid source, however, stuff like frames or small visual moments in videos are not valid sources, so the "signing" thing would not work. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 20:33, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

@PerryPerryD Where is the message/video where she says she doesn't want her last name on Wikipedia? Rlink2 (talk) 21:12, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

it requires a lot of digging to find, but she has said it multiple times. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 21:14, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

@PerryPerryD

At the very least, there has to be some proof that she has actually said she doesn't want her last name on here, so everyone is on the same page, especially because multiple sources have her last name in there already.

If that can not be found, then its on a question of when, and not if, her last name will be readded into the article, because other editors will not understand your rationale. (I am personally neutral because I don't know the whole situation) Rlink2 (talk) 21:35, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

@Not Another Pinay Heya. Do you have any sources that this is her surname? If so can you please add them to the article? PerryPerryD Talk To Me 16:23, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

You can upload it to imgur ingbb, then edit the link of it here. Unnamed anon (talk)

combined views and subs

i removed these stats recently. just ftr i would be fine with reinstating the former, but not the latter, as the subcounts are non-unique 216.164.249.213 (talk) 04:58, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Removing Boyinaband from Associated acts

I removed Dave Brown's link on Associated acts as the song he and Jaiden made together was removed from YouTube after allegations of predatory behavior on Dave's part have surfaced. Just wanted to check with y'all if it's okay to take that as an implication of her no longer being associated with him. Fallbackintoreality (talk) 18:40, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

ADHD Diagnosis?

In "Personal Life" it mentions that she has been diagnosed with ADHD and the source it uses is the "Pokémon sent me to Japan!" video description, but that only says, "also yes i've been diagnosed since this video..."

Is it right to assume that she is referring to ADHD and not something like autism or something completely different? There should be a clearer more direct source for this kind of information, otherwise it should be removed until Jaiden or someone close to her confirms the claim. 208.105.172.162 (talk) 04:44, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

@208.105.172.162 Agreed. I've removed this. Strugglehouse (talk) 23:18, 7 May 2024 (UTC)