Talk:Jailer (2023 Tamil film)/Archive 1

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Request to add below plot summary

Plot: The movie opens with a depiction of the antagonist (Varma) and his gang engaged in stealing and smuggling valuable antiques, mostly statues. These are stolen and replaced with fakes. An upstanding police officer Arjun (Rajnikanth's character's son) manages to detect and seize a large consignment of Varma's smuggled goods. He then confronts Seenu, Varma's henchman, demanding his surrender and threatening dire consequences. Seenu is shown being interrogated and beaten by Arjun. Eventually, Arjun goes missing and is presumed dead by his family and all concerned.

After the loss of his son, the Jailer goes after Seenu and murders him, disposing of the body with the help of a local taxi driver. Varma gets wind of this and sends his gang members to murder the Jailer's family - they try to kill his grandson who is saved just in time. After this, the Jailer tries and fails to convince Varma to leave him alone. Enraged by the attempts on his family's life, the Jailer decides to fight back.

The Jailer then visits certain persons across India and it is seen that he used to be the Warden of Tihar Jail, where he was extremely feared by the prisoners. However he also helps many criminals change their ways and become productive members of society, eventually gaining their respect and even friendship. These people help him in his quest by providing access trained snipers and other fighters, weapons, explosives and so on. After killing several of his men, the Jailer corners Varma in his hideout but Varma then reveals that the Jailer's son Arjun is still alive and threatens to kill him. Eventually, Varma and the Jailer arrive at a compromise: Varma will release Arjun in return for a famous antique crown that is currently secure in a temple in Andhra Pradesh. The Jailer will need to figure out how to steal the artifact.

Working with the same people, the Jailer plans a heist involving one Blast Mohan, who is an actor and also a trustee of the temple where the crown is held. Through various stratagems and deceptions, the Jailer eventually comes into possession of the crown and sends it back to Varma.

Varma and Arjun converse, with the crown in hand, where it is revealed that Arjun is no upstanding officer - he wanted to be cut in on Varma's operation and demonstrates that he is willing to go so far as to condone his own father's death in return for wealth. However, as always, the Jailer is one step ahead - the crown is fake and also conceals a hidden camera, which transmitted their entire conversation to the Jailer. The Jailer and his men attack Varma's hideout, killing all his men and killing the criminal mastermind by dissolving him in acid while alive (the same method Varma used on most of his victims).

Forewarned, the Jailer gives his son multiple chances to reveal the truth - eventually, Varma tells Arjun that his father overheard the whole conversation and is aware of his true nature. Arjun is given one last chance to surrender, yet refuses and pulls out his gun to kill his father, but is instead shot and killed by snipers on overwatch. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vk aditya (talk • contribs) 16:48, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Ramya Krishnan

@DareshMohan, Kailash29792, MNWiki845, SP013, Ab207, Bovineboy2008, and Deepika o: Is it confirmed that Ramya Krishnan is a part of Rajini’s Jailer film? This source says like that that’s why I’m asking. Theoder2055 (talk) 14:43, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Using this: https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/rajinikanth-and-ramya-krishnan-team-after-23-years-jailer-166720 Kailash29792 (talk) 14:46, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/tamil/movies/news/ramya-krishnan-confirms-being-part-of-jailer-starts-shooting-today/articleshow/93475266.cms [CONFIRMED] USING TIMES OF INDIA AS A SOURCE - MNWiki845 (talk)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 May 2023

Cast to Mohanlal 81.77.61.39 (talk) 20:45, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Callmemirela 🍁 21:54, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Cast order

In Wikipedia, the cast is arranged according to the film's credits, and not "arbitrarily" rearranged based on editor's perspective. For unreleased films, if the makers have specified an order in promotional materials, that order should be maintained until the film is released. In Jailer, actors appear in reverse chronological order in the first promo, matching the cast order mentioned in the video description. The same order is also used in the second promo, establishing an official cast order: Rajinikanth, Mohanlal, Shroff, Rajkumar, and so on. Mohanlal's role is "reportedly" a cameo (remains unconfirmed). However, it is irrelevant because Wikipedia follows the official credits presented by the makers, irrespective of their prominence in the film. The "uncredited cameos" are added at the bottom, but this is not the case when they are credited. Mark Hamill had a cameo role (30 seconds) in Star Wars: The Force Awakens but was credited second. Marlon Brando, with a screen time of 10 minutes in Superman, was credited first, even above the Superman himself. It's the discretion of the makers and not for us to decide. The Doom Patrol (talk) 19:40, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Remove spoiler in the first paragraph

Don't mention spoiler within the starting paragraph itself. People might just be coming to see some high level details 2406:7400:56:589D:900A:AD0C:D21:C0DE (talk) 19:17, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 August 2023

I kindly request to be able to change the last part. You see, at the end, not only did Muthuvel Pandian solemnly walk from the shooting , but removed the chain;locket of his son Arjun’s tooth from when he was younger. Thank you. Wikicorrector229 (talk) 17:49, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 21:47, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 August 2023

Jailer has gone past the ₹300 Crore mark as of day 4 and that should be updated and also the description should partly be updated.

https://www.businesstoday.in/trending/entertainment/story/jailer-box-office-collection-day-4-rajinikanths-film-breaches-rs-300-crore-mark-worldwide-393982-2023-08-13 49.204.31.130 (talk) 23:00, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: This reference gives box office figures from sacnilk.com and twitter which are both considered unreliable as per guidelines: Wikipedia:ICTFSOURCES, Wikipedia:RSPSOURCES.

Cinephile4ever 01:37, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 August 2023

In its first 3 days of release, the film grossed over ₹150 crore worldwide, making it the ninth highest-grossing Indian film of 2023.

To In its first 3 days of release, the film grossed over ₹215 crore worldwide, making it be sixth highest grossing Indian film of 2023 49.204.31.130 (talk) 01:32, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cinephile4ever 01:39, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Gross figures

According to most sources, Jailer has made more than ₹200 crore in its first four days.[1][2][3][4] Only few mention that it has made ₹222 crore. Earlier today, I saw the same figure of ₹222 crore on sacnilk.com, and they also had the India gross below the nett figure, which is non-sensical. At first, I thought the ₹222 crore was the nett figure, but now I suspect that they were the previous day's figures that they had not yet updated. Same for the India gross. The worldwide gross has since been updated to ₹308 crore, but some sites had published the 222 figure before that as the 4 day box office. India Today's report from today also claims a gross Indian figure under the nett figure. Okay, I just finished typing this, and saw a Business Standard report that states that the ₹222 crore figure was nett box office, so that should settle this issue.

But I would caution everyone from picking up early figures as the gross, since it looks like some outlets could mistakenly publish the previous day's box office, and also to try to look for the gross figures, because some of the sources don't care about the difference, and they also sometimes claim the nett figure to be the gross. - Rajan51 (talk) 15:33, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Just wish Box Office India started covering info for non-Hindi Indian films too. Whereas Hollywood already has Box Office Mojo, the south doesn't have one, and we rely on conflicting reports. Kailash29792 (talk) 15:40, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

If only. That would make things so much simpler and easier. What's interesting now is that BOI tracks grosses in South India for Bollywood films, but not South-Indian films. So they seem to have a way to get box office reports, but they are just not using it. -Rajan51 (talk) 16:35, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

I have already mentioned sacnilk.com is unreliable as per guidelines so stop giving sources citing figures from that site. Cinephile4ever 15:48, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

In case you couldn't understand what I said, I will make it simpler.

1. The ₹222 crore figure that has been reported is the nett box office figure, as stated in this Business Standard report.

2. If Sacnilk is indeed an unreliable sources, then the ₹222 crore figure is unreliable too, because both Indian Express and Business Standard got that figure from Sacnilk, and they have mentioned that in their articles themselves.

3. If Sacnilk is an unreliable source, then that is a problem because several outlets have been using Sacnilk as their reference for box office reports recently.

4. Since some of these outlets seem to be making mistakes even when reporting the figure from Sacnilk as I had mentioned above, they could potentially make such mistakes for other websites like Box Office India too. So be careful of that.

5. Look carefully for box office gross because most outlets don't mention if the figure they are reporting is nett or gross, and some even report the gross as nett.

Having said that, could you send me a link of the page where the consensus was made that Sacnilk was an unreliable source? That would be helpful. -Rajan51 (talk) 16:51, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:ICTFSOURCES Cinephile4ever 16:58, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, I will look into it later. Now then, you understood what I said right? If you have any objections, share them here so we can resolve them. I will be reverting your edit on the article soon if you don't have any objection. -Rajan51 (talk) 17:06, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

You don't have to revert my edit. All these references you have mentioned in this discussion are not given anywhere in the film article. The sources given for box office figures in the infobox are good because they don't cite any figures from sacnilk.com. Cinephile4ever 17:08, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

The problem here is not about whether the references in the infobox themselves cite sacnilk.com. It is about whether that figure that those references mention is itself reliable. The reference used in the infobox from Indian Express for the ₹222 crore figure by itself does not say where they got that figure from. And the report from Business Standard that you had shared in one of your edit summaries also doesn't mention the source. But as I had mentioned above, both Indian Express and Business Standard have mentioned in their other reports that sacnilk.com is their source. So if sacnilk.com is indeed unreliable, that means that the reports on both Indian express and Business Standard claiming that Jailer had made ₹222 crore is unreliable because sacnilk.com is their source.

And even if sacnilk.com is reliable, the ₹222 crore figure is the nett figure as per Business standard (see the link I shared), and we don't use nett figures here, only gross. -Rajan51 (talk) 17:31, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Figures reported by both Indian Express and India Today references in the infobox are reliable because both publications are reliable as per Wikipedia:ICTFSOURCES. There is no problem regarding that. Cinephile4ever 17:41, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Looks like you didn't understand what I said. Both of those websites are indeed considered reliable sources. But as I had explained above, Indian Express uses sacnilk.com for the ₹222 crore figure, which you yourself said is an unreliable source. And you yourself have also deleted the other reference from another reliable source which used sacnilk.com as its source. So you clearly understand that the figure provided by a reliable source can be unreliable if that source got its figure from an unreliable source. And as I have explained above, sacnilk.com is India Today's source for the ₹222 crore figure. Which means that the reliable source is getting its number from an unreliable source. Which means that number is not reliable. Do you understand? -Rajan51 (talk) 17:56, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Both Indian Express and India Today sources given in the infobox don't mention anything about sacnilk.com in their respective reports, so the box office figures given by them in those reports are reliable, do you understand? Cinephile4ever 18:04, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

I understand what you are saying, but I am saying there is a problem. Looks like you don't understand what I'm saying. @Kailash29792: could you please explain if possible? -Rajan51 (talk) 18:37, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

There is no problem now, the box office figures given in the infobox are correct as per reliable sources. I understand too. Cinephile4ever 18:42, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

No, there is a problem. -Rajan51 (talk) 18:46, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

No, there isn't any problem. Cinephile4ever 18:47, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

I will be removing the ₹222 crore figure in the article, don't add it back. -Rajan51 (talk) 19:14, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

I have added it back because you should not have removed it. Cinephile4ever 00:42, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 August 2023

I want to edit the box office collection of Jailer. Multiple news article have already stated that the movie have already collected 540 crores but it is stated that the movie have collected 400 crores. Kishandevpillai9472 (talk) 18:10, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 23:02, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 August 2023

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