Talk:James V. Allred

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Date of birth is 1899 on Find-A-Grave. Lincher 19:25, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

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Bot-created subpage

A subpage at James V. Allred/fjc was automatically created by a perl script, based on this article at the Biographical Directory of Federal Judges. The subpage should either be merged into this article, or moved and disambiguated. Polbot (talk) 12:25, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Lack of History

This page lacks any history of this man being a Governor. He was governor of the largest state in the union for 5 years and all it says is he was the governor? We need people from all these great Universities in this state to fill out this page! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dkf2222 (talk • contribs) 03:27, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Requested move 10 March 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved to James V. Allred. Per consensus. – robertsky (talk) 14:46, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

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James Burr V Allred → James V Allred – As per ([1]) for purposes of CONCISENESS. Nirva20 (talk) 20:30, 9 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:04, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). 162 etc. (talk) 17:26, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

• Why not just James Allred? --Ahecht (TALK
  PAGE) 21:00, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

  James V Allred or James V. Allred appear to be the COMMONNAME. 162 etc. (talk) 21:23, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

  V not "V." -- according to the article note, "The "V" was a name, not an initial." Nirva20 (talk) 22:32, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

  There are a number of reliable sources using "James V. Allred". See WP:COMMONNAME. 162 etc. (talk) 23:44, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Understood. I don't mean to be seen as nitpicking but a lot of that may be assumptions or just normal punctuation. These reliable sources indicate just "V" (see [2], [3], [4]). Nirva20 (talk) 01:20, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

All three of those sources have a dot after the V in at least one place. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 01:48, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Not the second (middle) one from what I could see but I guess given automatic assumptions and automatic punctuation it's inevitable. I really just want the most genuine and truthful version. A note explaining the convoluted background of the initial should be sufficient. I initiated the name change but have no dog in this fight. Nirva20 (talk) 21:22, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

The second one has one of the "creators" (i.e. authors of the letters) listed as "Allred, James V." and says "For further biographical information, visit 'ALLRED, JAMES BURR V.' The Handbook of Texas Online." Both of those have a dot after the V. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 23:25, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Like I said, "I really just want the most genuine and truthful version. A note explaining the convoluted background of the initial should be sufficient." Nirva20 (talk) 23:36, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

It's a strange situation. I looked at the sources cited in the article, and I think all but one of them (TSHA, a.k.a. Handbook of Texas) puts a dot after the V, and the one that is the exception contains a picture of a campaign poster promotion him speaking as governor, and it has the dot in it. Just because the V didn't stand for a longer name doesn't necessarily mean it would be incorrect to put a dot after it – a lot of people have had names that were only an initial. . Three Four of the titles had apparently been changed by whoever wrote the Wikipedia article, because the source actually included a dot in their titles but the dot was omitted in the title quoted by Wikipedia. As far as I can tell, it's more common for sources to include the dot. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 23:54, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

I found a source that discusses the question of whether to put a dot or not in such cases, focused on Harry S. Truman. It is published by the Harry S. Truman Library, operated by the National Archives and it says to use the dot, at least for Truman. It also says the Chicago Manual of Style says to include the dot (not just for Truman, but also more generally). See also the note at the beginning of the Harry S. Truman article. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 00:06, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

I did remember some sources said the same thing about Truman's middle initial but it's just too hazy to reconstruct. Rules of common sense and punctuation often override such odd arcane facts, especially over centuries. Nirva20 (talk) 00:10, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Apparently, Johnny Cash's birth name was J. R. Cash, and the Air Force made him change it. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 00:26, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

• Move to James V. Allred per MOS:INITS, and above. 162 etc. (talk) 00:18, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
• Move to James V. Allred. In addition to the reasons discussed above (most compellingly COMMONNAME and MOS:INITS), the fact that the middle initial is "V" means that the dotless version risks being mistaken for a royal numeral or similar construction. Adding the dot is a simple and space-efficient way to preempt that ambiguity. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 14:25, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Birth Name

Was there any evidence that Allred changed him name from "James Burr V. Allred" to just "James V. Allred"? The page name is accurate, but the first sentence of the first paragraph is what confuses me. NewDealChief (talk) 01:23, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Fixed. There's no need to use "born", as the article did, since he didn't change his name. 162 etc. (talk) 05:13, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Nice. NewDealChief (talk) 09:36, 2 May 2024 (UTC)