Talk:James Clephane-Cameron

Improvement

Having already made a number of edits to try and satisfy the issues raised and to avoid a constant back and forth of edit could some further guidelines please be given in the comments here as to the "notability", "primary" and "refimprove" tags that have been added.

2017-08-22 - greenmanfan - To try and satisfy the "refimprove" tag I have added further citations and corrected existing ones to point to the appropriate ISBNs, websites, etc. As I understand it the tag is related to the cleanliness of referencing so this seemed to satisfy. Regarding "notability" and "primary" are you expecting print, online or both for further sources? Once I have some clarification I will re-edit. Thanks you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:5682:5600:99BA:48C8:59E1:53FC (talk) 16:27, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment. As I'm the one who tagged the article, I'm glad to explain. Basically, the current version of this article contains eight citations. Two of them are from the author's own website, one is from the Facebook page created for one of his works, and four of them are citing the author's works themselves. These are all primary sources (see WP:PRIMARY), and while they are fine to establish the existence of the works, related dates, etc., they are inherently self-serving and so cannot be considered when assessing notability. This concept is touched up on at WP:BLPSELFPUB and WP:BLPPRIMARY. The eight and final citation [1] merely cites the explanation of a mythological figure mentioned in the article; it serves a purpose but it does not relate to the author at all.

{{Refimprove}} specifically explains that the article "needs additional citations for verification", not format or cleanliness. What is required here for the article to satisfy the eneral notability guideline are citations from reliable external sources that discuss this author and/or his works, to establish notability of Clephane-Cameron and of some of the statements within the article. These sources do not have to be readable online, but should be books, journals, magazines or reliable websites which discuss the author or his work. This is the perfect example of an article that has probably been created and/or improved by James Clephane-Cameron himself or someone related to him. While this is acceptable within limits per WP:BLPEDIT, it often indicates a lack of understanding of our notability guidelines.— TAnthony^Talk 18:02, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

2017-08-22 (continued) - thegreenmanfan - thank you for explaining. I shall source additional citations to add. Could you clarify whether there is a time limit to doing so? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.0.77.232 (talk) 18:17, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

There is no time limit per se, and it is not harmful for the tags to remain on the article for weeks, months, even years. They are intended to encourage future readers to assist in improving the article, and will place the article in improvement categories that are patrolled by editors seeking to contribute in this way. While deletion is usually a last resort for non-controversial BLP articles, there is always the chance that it may be nominated for AfD if it fails to meet WP:GNG. Let me know if I can be of any further assistance.— TAnthony^Talk 18:26, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

This might be helpful: Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL — TAnthony^Talk 18:30, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

2017-08-22 (continued) - thegreenmanfan - Thank you for your help. I was just a bit panicked as I'd put quite a bit of work in to try and keep this article up to date so I was worried it might be lost. I will keep working/updating/citing over the next few weeks/months. Hopefully I'll get it up to standard. Apologies if I've been a bit hastey with edits today. Is it worth rolling my latest back for now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:5682:5600:649E:AD3B:6AA4:1C0A (talk) 18:49, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

No it's fine, I've already restored the tags and cleaned things up a bit.— TAnthony^Talk 19:43, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

2017-08-22 (continued) - thegreenmanfan - Brilliant. Thanks for all your help