Talk:James Honeyman-Scott

James Honeyman-Scott

James Honeyman-Scott, "Jimmy", didn´t die of an heroin overdose, he died while he was asleep due to a heart failure after too much booze+speed+cocaine. It´s not a matter of the kind of drug he used anyway. His guitar playing and writting contribution in the Pretenders first two albums are truly great and gave the band a raw and powerful sound they never achieved again, I saw them in 1980 and in 1987 and I think I have an idea of what I´m talking about. Just listen or watch them playing live "Tatooed Love Boys" or "Louie-Louie" in any dvd or cd of the concerts of that time and you´ll understand.i.e.The Concert For The People Kampuchea are easy to find. Roy Franky

Agreed about the overdose not being due to heroin. I've added a reference to a 1984 article that mentions "heart failure caused by cocaine intolerance" as the specific cause of death. I've also added several paragraphs to shed more light onto James Honeyman-Scott, citing the Guitar Player interview pretty extensively since it's a first-hand account by the man himself. (We're lucky he did this interview.) I also added a references section, album discography, and external links. A good public domain photo of the guy is what is really needed now. SFloridaMusic

Equipment

Section moved to talk. How is this relevant? RJFJR (talk) 20:54, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Honeyman-Scott used a number of guitars during his professional career, including the following:

• Gibson ES-335 used for Pretenders debut and songs on the Robert John Godfrey album
• Gibson Les Paul Jr. (1957 - borrowed from Mick Ralphs of Mott the Hoople)
• Gibson Les Paul (used to record the debut album)
• Ice Blue Gibson Firebird (used in early shows 1978)
• Gibson Firebird (1963)
• Gibson Firebird (Pink)
• Hamer Custom-built guitars(3, one red known as "Red One", one white with Honeyman in mother of pearl up the neck known as "Honeyman", and one Explorer prototype [currently known as the Hamer Standard])
• Music Man Stingray
• Rickenbacker 360/12 used during Extended Play / Pretenders II sessions
• Zemaitis (1980) Metal Front Guitar (2)
• Zemaitis (1980) Pearl Front Guitar
• Zemaitis (1981) Dragon (Wedding Axe)
• Zemaitis (1981) Scorpion Disc Front Guitar
• Vintage National Steel Guitar (gift from Jackson Browne, 1982)

Just before joining the Pretenders, Honeyman-Scott used an Ibanez Gibson-Explorer style with an Electro-Harmonix Clone Theory pedal and Marshall amplifier in an attempt to emulate the Rickenbacker 12-string sound on songs by Elvis Costello and Nick Lowe (Guitar Player, 1981). Honeyman-Scott recorded most of his guitar parts for the Pretenders debut album using a Gibson ES-335 or Gibson Les Paul.

Honeyman-Scott owned several acoustic guitars including a Gibson Dove, Martin D-28, and a Guild 12-string. Jimmy used Marshall 100-watt amplifiers and BOSS chorus, overdrive, and compressor effects pedals.

personally I'd vote for putting this back into the article. it doesn't take up much room, it's not like we're saving the planet by hiding it back here, & anyway most people who come to wikipedia to read about a guitarist will have at least a passing interest in his tools of the trade. first, though, we'll need to explain why the strat isn't on the list when he's clearly playing one in the article's infobox picture. :-)

duncanrmi (talk) 11:02, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Me too - the section above on guitars should go back to the article. Of course it's "relevant" - he was a guitarist; he lived and breathed guitars. If someone has gone to the trouble of finding out what guitars he liked, why hide that (very interesting) information in the Talk section? It's weird Wikipedian snobbery to move it.--Dena.walemy (talk) 11:22, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

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Tribute song

I've replaced the claim that "2000 Miles" was written as a tribute to Honeyman-Scott. As far as I've been able to determine, this claim was introduced to Wikipedia on January 8, 2010 with this edit by an anonymous editor to 2000 Miles. The claim was later copied over to Learning to Crawl and this article despite having no cited source. A source for it was later added to this article, but given that the source is dated 2016 (long after the claim debuted on Wikipedia), that the source provides no explanation or basis for the claim, that the lyrics for "2000 Miles" don't make much sense under this interpretation, and that Hynde never mentions Honeyman-Scott in connection with "2000 Miles" in any interview I've seen, it seems reasonable to suspect that this is WP:Citeogenesis resulting from a Wikipedia editor getting "2000 Miles" confused with "Back on the Chain Gang". Martin IIIa (talk) 00:01, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Surname

The picture of the grave stone shows his name as James Honeyman Scott, with no hyphen. So is his surname Scott rather than Honeyman-Scott? 2A00:23C4:F091:6201:D1A1:A6F9:2257:1877 (talk) 21:14, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

I suspect that the surname was essentially a stage name, as FreeBMD shows that for his birth record, his surname was just Scott: [1] (if that was him). But all the sources in this article seem to support "Honeyman-Scott". So I think well have to stick with that. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:23, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

It could be that they just put his father's surname on the birth record. Martin IIIa (talk) 00:21, 11 January 2024 (UTC)