Talk:James J. Braddock

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A very, very, wonderful movie about James Braddock has been put out, starring Russell Crowe as Braddock. The movie is called Cinderella Man. posted by XLikeAGazelleX

A worthwhile, gritty movie, which by some accounts portrays a rather sentimental, one sided account of Braddock. Nevertheless the hardships endured by all in the Great Depression is emotive and you can see reasons for the hero status he developed. posted by Ivor S. Williamson (213.42.2.29 03:14, 28 September 2005 (UTC))

No mention of the book?

There's no mention of the book on Wikipedia. As I understand it, there was a book written after the movie, where the author researched a bunch of cool details that really painted a poignant picture of the Great Depression. I read the book first, and was very disappointed with the movie. Can anybody help out?

--Torchpratt 10:13, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Reviews

I'm not sure what counts as "mixed reviews". I changed it, because most reviews were positive. Rottentomatoes collects reviews from many different sources--83% were positive. The movie wikipedia page Cinderella Man states "the movie received very good reviews from most critics (many described it as "Oscar-worthy") and audiences". Seems to me its accurate to say it got mostly positive reviews.

Contradiction

Cinderella_Man#Depiction_of_Max_Baer claims that Max gave future purses to Campbell's family, whom he killed in the ring. This article states "Baer refused to fight afterward". Could someone please not explain/ or not fix this junk ? --Yeago 05:49, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Critical section: on Max Baer, it says he only killed one man in the ring. Can we singularize? Also, it says he waited a year after the death (as stated, it took that long to be cleared of manslaughter charges.)

Max was aquitted of the manslaughter charges rather quickly...but wasn't alowed in the ring for a year. He was very remorseful for, and horrified by the death he caused. For more on Max Baer you should look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Baer This section is for James Braddock. You'll learn much more about Max Baer in the Max Baer part of the site.

submited by: Violette Aimez

I agree -- the comments about Baer are important but belong on the Max Baer page. Brutannica 02:22, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Max Baer was cleared of manslaughter charges on October 4, 1930. The Baer-Campbell bout was on August 25, 1930. Max was not allowed in *California only* to box for one year. For more info see: Oakland Tribune, stated date or http://www.maxbaer.org

Maxies Gal 22:23, 25 August, 2007 —The preceding signed but undated comment was added at 05:25, August 26, 2007 (UTC).

None of this crap about Baer belongs in this article, but I don't care enough to fix it. -- Jibal 15:38, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

In the first paragraph of the Career section, it states that Braddock has a record of 44-2-2. This is incorrect as seen from the list below. He had 3 draws before he even lost a fight. I think the person wanted to point out his career wins as 35-5-6 with the next 34 fights as 11-20-1 and 2 NC. LDCorey (talk) 01:25, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Correction

Removed: "Another example is that the movie does not reveal that Braddock's "upset" of Baer was a foregone conclusion since Baer was fighting with a broken right hand and could not have hit hard even if he had wanted to."

Braddock had the broken hand, not Baer. Aplomado 01:31, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Max Baer did have a broken hand. He broke it in an exhibition three weeks before beginning training for the Braddock bout. I respond to this in detail on my site: http://www.maxbaer.org/faqs.html

Maxies Gal 22:27, 25 August 2007

I see you don't believe in citations for your "facts". Wikipedia has different standards. -- Jibal 15:41, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

I directed interested individuals to the FAQs page of my site, which has citations, since they certainly don't belong here. Why exactly have you decided to pick on me in particular, when others on this talk page have made declarations without citations ? You state that my attempt to educate others is 'crap'. How so ? Have you spent over 3,000 hours, as I have, meticulously researching the life of Max Baer so I can write knowledgeably about him ? How childish you've shown yourself to be.

Maxies Gal 23:01, 29 August 2007

Either way, many fighters have won fights with a broken hand - just ask Joe Calzaghe - so the forgone conclusion bit is rubbish to begin with. --LiamE 01:12, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

This article isn't about Max Baer; duh. Therefore your crap about him doesn't belong here; duh. And my comment about citations was a result of looking at your FAQ page and finding zero citations there; duh. -- Jibal (talk) 06:12, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

"Another article dated June 06, 1935..." Is not exactly a citation. I have no hope of finding this article to verify your claim. Jaydub99 (talk) 15:44, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

INTERNAL LINK PROBLEM

many of the boxing articles including this one have the boxing style of "orthodox" liked to the orthodox page. this shouldn't be as the orthodox page has nothing to do with boxing.

Addition based on film?

In the movie Cinderella Man, Braddock was referred to as the "Pride of New Jersey" and the "Bulldog of Bergen". These could be added to nicknames but I'm not quite sure if the nicknames mentioned in the movie are factual.M. Stern 00:22, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

"After his boxing comeback, he returned the welfare funds he had received and made frequent donations to various Catholic Worker Houses."

Can that also be attributed to the movie (Cinderella Man)...? - the first point that is, they portray him as returning all the welfare money after he gets his career back up.

Although, I have to say, it does seem kind of dubious to do so...69.158.62.31 02:10, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

birthdate

Correct one is 1905. Some sources list a wrong date: 1906. See: http://www.jamesjbraddock.com/faq/

I was just watching the Viasat History Channel and they said it was 1906. Norum (talk) 01:05, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Middle Name

Why was he called James J. Braddock when, as this article states, his middle name was Walter? Can we make this consistent throughout the article? Zhinz 02:41, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I believe it says in the introduction, he did it to follow suit with other previous Boxers --Banime (talk) 01:27, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Baer fight

this article says Braddock was 10-1 underdog, while the one on Baer says 8-1. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.146.152.124 (talk) 01:27, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

later life

This movie mentioned what he did after boxing, and I understand that he served as an officer in WWII. I hope to find some sources and fill in the gap between the end of his career in 1936 and his death in 1974. --rogerd (talk) 21:08, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Military Sevice

Why is there no mention to Braddocks military service during WWII? Rank(s), Dates of service? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.182.160.144 (talk) 07:19, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Because you haven't added it yet. Nightscream (talk) 16:20, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Citation 3

Does anyone see a problem with using the Cinderella Man movie as an academic citation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.67.134.45 (talk) 00:00, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

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Another contradiction?

In the section on championship, it is stated that he only suffered one KO. In the tables, it twice states that he suffered two KOs.Kdammers (talk) 02:44, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Record seems to have been tampered with?

The two record charts both show over 1200 fights (one with all victories by KO and no losses!), then the breakdown shows only 88 fights, which I'm guessing is the actual number. Can someone go and correct the chart who has access to that boxing record website? Deliusfan (talk) 04:40, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

On top of that, in the chart some wins and losses don't seem to counted properly (they are marked win but then seem to be counted as a no contest with no note, or a loss that isn't counted against in the running win/loss tally. Deliusfan (talk) 04:47, 21 March 2022 (UTC)