Talk:James Justinian Morier

Biography assessment rating comment

The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. --KenWalker | Talk 02:30, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Vital dates

Death: March 1849. We now state 19th (lead sentence) and 20th (last sentence). 1911 Encyclopedia Brittanica states 23rd.

Birth: Library of Congress states "1780?" and reports 1780, 1780?, 1782?, and 1784.[1]
ISFDB states 1782-08-15, no source. [2].
--P64 (talk) 19:53, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the search. It seems to me there is no problem in stating his dates of birth and death are uncertain. (For instance "Born between 1780 and 1784, died March 1849, between the 19th and the 23rd"). Sapphorain (talk) 21:31, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Oxford DNB is a source for birthdate 1782-08-15 [3] --for subscribers only but i see the birthdate from the first part of the first sentence. --P64 (talk) 23:54, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

(I was able to get the source at ISFDB.)

Now at a university library I have access to the ODNB entry. I see we have template {{ODNB}} for citing that source with a statement of access conditions. Thus:

• "Morier, James Justinian". Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (online ed.). Oxford University Press. doi:10.1093/ref:odnb/19259. (Subscription or UK public library membership required.)

--which leaves free-form author, publication date, and retrieved date.

I suppose ODNB reports the Gregorian calendar date, which Britain (not the Ottoman Empire where he was born) adopted before 1782.

I revised the lead sentence and infobox to state ODNB dates, and the text to follow, with cause of death also from ODNB. A long foot Note cites ODNB and also explains variant sources.

--P64 (talk) 18:03, 5 January 2019 (UTC)