Talk:Jamie Chung/Archive 1

Archive 1

Source for birthdate and indication of permission to print

http://www.jamiechung.org/jamie-chung-profile.php http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1512166/bio Unomi (talk) 14:19, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity, where did the fan site get its information? Imdb, after all, is not considered a reliable source by Wikipedia. Nightscream (talk) 17:15, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

How about http://www.tv.com/jamie-chung/person/260555/summary.html ? Which also happens to have her middle name. Unomi (talk) 01:04, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

An RS, in answer to your question in your Edit Summary, would be a source that is regarded as a reliable source of information, such as the New York Times, particularly in regard to the subject or area of knowledge pertaining to the article's subject. Since Chung is an entertainer, sources like Entertainment Weekly, People, Ain't It Cool News would be considered reliable. When in doubt, though, the Reliable Sources Noticeboard is always a good help. That's where I first learned that WP doesn't consider IMDB reliable, because its content is user-generated, without editorial control. I think TV.com is considered reliable, but you can always ask at the RSN to be sure. Thanks for finding that source. Nightscream (talk) 03:10, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I just went and asked at the Noticeboard myself. Nightscream (talk) 03:12, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Drat. I was hoping it was okay. According to the responses on the Noticeboard, anyone with an account can edit bio info, so it's not reliable. Sorry. Nightscream (talk) 15:08, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia articles are supposed to be based primarily on reliable sources. However, that doesn't mean you can never use a primary source in article about the subject. If Jamie Chung has an official web page, I think it's OK to cite that for her date of birth (unless there is some controversy about it). A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 16:47, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

No argument there. Does she have a site with that info on it? Nightscream (talk) 04:17, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Surprisingly, there doesn't seem to be an official web site for her. This appears to be her personal MySpace page but it doesn't list her birthdate. (If it did, we'd also need some sort of way of verifying that it's really her page and not created by a fan.) A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 17:54, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

This was my observation the last time I checked. Thanks for checking again. Plastikspork (talk) 03:03, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Unless there is some doubt/controversy over her birthday, you can put it in the article and just not source it. WP:V says that it's OK to not have a source if it's unlikely to be challenged. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 17:30, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Not by my reading of WP:BLP#Privacy of personal information. Let me know if I am missing something. Thanks! Plastikspork (talk) 23:11, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I could be wrong, but I think it would be OK. WP:BLP#Privacy of personal information says "Wikipedia includes dates of birth for some well-known persons where the dates have been published in one or more reliable sources linked to the persons ... or have otherwise been widely published." It's been widely published on IMDB, TV.com, www.celebritywonder.com, and dozens of other Web sites[1]. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 23:42, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I would be happy with one verifiable reliable source. Facebook would work if it can be reasonably verified as being legit. TV.com is a wiki, and IMDB's FAQ does not inspire confidence. We would have to check the sourcing of the other sites. I have seen cases where they were just citing Wikipedia, which turns into an unfortunate circular argument. Thanks! Plastikspork (talk) 23:50, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Me, too! Believe me, I've been working on it. :) But anyway, WP:BLP says "or have otherwise been widely published". It doesn't say "or have otherwise been widely published by reliable sources". So I think we're OK.

In any case, I think that celebritywonder.com might be a WP:RS. I brought it up at the WP:RSN [2]. I only got one response. Maybe you want to take a look at it and tell me your opinion? A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 00:05, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I added her full name/birthdate to the article, using this and this as sources. If this is her real "Twitter" page, then it lists the full name also. All Hallow's (talk) 00:52, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

The TCM page has a link for users to submit a biography, which seems problematic. I am still searching for the "source" used by both pages. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 05:45, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

What about the Twitter source? That lists her middle name, which is all that TCM does. I didn't check very thoroughly, but is there any way to know if that's her real Twitter page? (Another link I added was the California Birth Records, which confirm that the date and name are at the very least accurate; but that's more of a primary source) All Hallow's (talk) 06:09, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

This PDF write-up from the BC Film Commission also lists her middle name. All Hallow's (talk) 06:12, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

The sourcing for the middle name seems fine. I'm more concerned with the DOB. I will have a closer look later. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 06:21, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Update

Can somebody update that she played a role in Grown Ups(2010 film) 98.154.37.202 (talk) 20:55, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Sure. For future reference, though, new messages should either go at the bottom of a relevant section, or (if you're starting a new discussion), under a new section heading at the bottom of the page. :-) Nightscream (talk) 21:40, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

The Hangover 2

She will be starring in The Hangover 2. http://news-briefs.ew.com/2010/11/02/hangover-2-adds-jamie-chung/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Asale002 (talk • contribs) 17:45, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Sucker Punch

Sucker Punch has been released, so the word "upcoming" needs to be removed from the opening paragraph.Kraustin (talk) 18:07, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry is randomly inserted under Reality TV Work, it needs to be removed. - Russell —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.97.170.76 (talk) 00:11, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Korean American?

Is Jamie's ethnicity really important? She is an American television personality. As far as I'm concerned, she was born and raised in California and does not hold Korean citizenship. 75.4.235.91 (talk) 04:33, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

The article doesn't say that she holds Korean citizenship. It merely says that she's Korean-American, since that's what the source says, in this case, her MTV bio. If she thought it relevant enough to mention for her Real World bio, then it's legitimate to mention it here. Nightscream (talk) 09:04, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Really? I recall that many articles of "minorities" in America (like Tila Nguyen and Lucy Liu) used to state that. For example, in Tila Nguyen's article they first called her a Vietnamese-American. In time, it was explained in her early life that her parents were immigrants of Vietnam to the US. It is not a secret that Tila is Vietnamese; she has referenced this on MySpace and Twitter. But eventually, it was established that ethnicity should not be included in the lead. This is something I have also noticed scrapped from most articles. Same for Lucy Liu. Rather than calling her Chinese/Taiwanese American or whatever, as she has referred to herself, they dubbed her an American actress. ★Dasani★ 19:16, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Furthermore, if Jamie had had Korean citizenship, that would be notable for inclusion. We could specify that she is born and raised in America of American and Korean citizenship. ★Dasani★ 19:20, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

The article does not refer to her as Korean-American in the Lead. It only refers to her heritage in the Early life section. The Lead indeed refers to her merely as "American". Nightscream (talk) 05:57, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Such a term is often considered offensive, undesirable, and/or inaccurate by those who it is placed on. However, I have checked the sources and it appears this is what Jamie refers to herself as. I was hoping more detail could be brought into the case. For example, does Jamie speak Korean? Did she and her family practice traditional Korean celebrations? Unfortunately, it appears such questions cannot be sourced. As it is, I guess we'll just have to leave the wording to how it is: [self-referred] Korean-American. Thank you for clearing that up. ★Dasani★ 19:58, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Remove the incorrect "Korean name"

Can someone please remove the whole {{Infobox Korean name}} with the fake "Korean name" from this article, and the equally fake "Hanja" name in the lede? 제이미 정 is just a Hangul spelling of the English name. It's not a Korean name. Her Korean name isn't publicly known to the Korean media so they just call her by her English name. And 鍾潔咪 has nothing to do with Korean whatsoever. It's certainly not the "hanja" of her name. It's a Chinese Mandarin spelling of her English name. If it were a real Korean name it would be read as "Jong Gyeolmi" which is a really weird name. 61.18.170.50 (talk) 15:56, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 22:46, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

I am asking that content be removed, not that content be added. I do not need to disprove a negative. This is not how Wikipedia works. This is not how logic works either: see argument from ignorance or prove that you are not a camel. You or anyone else who wishes this content be retained needs to prove a source to prove it. WP:BLP: "Remove immediately any contentious material about a living person that is unsourced or poorly sourced". Well I'm being contentious. This content is unsupported. The three footnotes numbered [2][3][4] do not contain a single mention of these hanja. In fact you will not find these three hanja in any Korean language source whatsoever. You will only find them in Chinese sources. Chinese-language sources are not sufficient proof that these are the hanja of a Korean name.

The same goes for the hangul transcription "제이미 정". I do not see any citation from a reliable source that "제이미 정" is a real, valid Korean name as opposed to being merely a transcription of an English name. When Korean media refer to the Korean name of a Korean American star, they write a transcription of the English name, and then they write "한국명: XYZ" in parentheses afterwards. No source has ever done this for Jamie Chung. Her Korean name has never been published. 61.18.170.16 (talk) 04:43, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

We have only your opinion about these facts. I am asking you to provide something which substantiates your opinion. I see what you refer to as the hangul transcription used in the people.search.naver.com source. You say that is not a "true" name. OK, surely if that is true, someone else has commented on it. You supply the information that we can find the hanja in Chinese sources. You then say "Chinese-language sources are not sufficient proof." Why? Please provide the Wikipedia policy or external reliable source which says this. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 00:52, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

This is not "my opinion" This is you again taking the argument from ignorance position: "there is no source out there saying that "鍾潔咪" and "제이미 정" are not Korean names, so clearly they must be Korean names." This is not even sufficient by your own WP:BLP standards. Let me lay out the chain of logic for you quite clearly:

1. Korean and Chinese are different languages
2. Korean names can be written in hanja (Chinese characters) or hangul (phonetic alphabet). The hanja are not a translation but are the actual name as much as the hangul are.
3. Each hanja is one syllable and has a defined Korean reading.
4. Chinese newspapers give Chinese translation names to foreigners whose original names are in languages which do not historically use Chinese characters. For example Bill Clinton in Mandarin is called "克林顿" (Kelindun). That does NOT mean that those characters make up a Korean name. The evidence, of course, is that Bill Clinton is NEVER referred to in Korean by the hangul reading of those Chinese characters Keukimdon (극임돈) [3]
5. Chinese newspapers use the hanja of Korean names (or the kanji of Japanese names, etc.) if those characters are known publicly. For example, For example, Yunjin Kim is called 金侖珍 [4].

If we see Chinese characters 鍾潔咪 used to refer to Jamie Chung in Chinese media, there are two logical possibilities:

1. 鍾潔咪 is a Chinese translation name
2. 鍾潔咪 is the hanja of a Korean name

If "鍾潔咪" were the correct hanja for Jamie Chung's Korean name, then that would mean her Korean name is Jong Gyeolmi and would be written in hangul 종결미. (Korean media generally write in hangul after the first mention of a person's name.) There is not a single Korean source who refers to Jamie Chung as 종결미. [5]. In fact the character "咪" is not even used in the Korean language [6], and certainly not in names.

As for "제이미 정": actual Korean names are written with the surname first. Names from other countries are transcribed in whatever order they are given in the original language. "제이미 정" (Jeimi Jeong) is written with the surname last. This indicates that it is not a Korean name, but a transcription of an English name. In the same way, Vladimir Lenin is referred to in Korean as "블라디미르 레닌" (Bulladimireu Renin). The fact that Korean media write his name this way does not mean that "Renin" is a Korean name and that Lenin is actually an ethnic Korean. It means that his name has been transcribed into hangul so that Koreans can read it. And you will not find a reliable source which comments, "Renin is not a Korean name" because it is utterly unnecessary to write such a thing; anyone with the slightest bit of common sense about the Korean language understands this fact.

Finally, it is worth noting exactly who added this alleged "hanja": a sockpuppet of a banned user [7] who was banned for (wait for it) ... adding incorrect Chinese names to dozens of articles (Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Calvin_Marquess/Archive#30_October_2011). And yet it takes all this trouble to get his incorrect edit reverted ... 61.18.170.110 (talk) 01:53, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

I can tell that you are having trouble understanding the problem. That is probably my fault for not being clear. I will try again.

• I have to assume that you are acting in good faith and know what you are talking about.
• I also have to assume that the editor who put the content in in the first place was acting in good faith and knew what he was talking about.
• The two of you disagree.
• Logically, I can't just believe either of you.
• The status quo is assumed to be correct because many have seen it and not changed it.
• The burden is on you to provide some proof that it needs to be changed. Not an argument. Not insults. An independent source which supports your claim.

Thanks, Celestra (talk) 02:26, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

This is absolutely surreal.

• "I also have to assume that the editor who put the content in in the first place was acting in good faith and knew what he was talking about." Given that he is banned, I have no idea why you assume that.
• "The status quo is assumed to be correct because many have seen it and not changed it." How many of those people speak Korean & Chinese?
• "The burden is on you to provide some proof that it needs to be changed. Not an argument. Not insults. An independent source which supports your claim." As I repeatedly tell you, you are not going to find "proof" of a negative. Can you provide a citation that the sky is not made of blue paint? Didn't think so. No one who knows the slightest thing about the Korean language needs to have this explained to them.

Anyway that's it from me, I give up, leave your blatantly incorrect information here, I'm off to edit the sky article ... 61.18.170.134 (talk) 02:50, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi, I've dropped by per the request at WT:KO. Knowing a fair deal of Korean culture, op is right. 제이미 정 is a non-Korean name written in Hangul, the Korean alphabet. This does not make it a Korean name. Using that logic, 앨리샤 키스 would constitute as a Korean name; naturally, it doesn't, since it's just Alicia Keys's name written in Hangul. — ξ^xplicit 05:22, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi. You seem like a reasonable editor and you are autoconfirmed, so you can make whatever change you feel is appropriate. The issue, as I see it, is that her name is written in Hanja several places and once in Hangul and the requester believes they are incorrectly written. (Just for reference, I don't see how "Korean name" enters into the discussion; that whole part of the conversation has a chauvinistic ring to it.) I think we should continue to use whatever Hanja and Hangul are used in reliable sources, but, again, you are free to do whatever seems appropriate. Regards, Celestra (talk) 16:48, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

"Korean name" enters into the discussion because it is the usage of Template:Infobox Korean name that is being discussed, which "is used to display an infobox of Korean name(s)". IP's arguments are substantially correct; by no reasonable standard can 제이미 정 be considered a Korean name, and neither is 鍾潔咪 to be considered as hanja ("Chinese characters borrowed from Chinese and incorporated into the Korean language with Korean pronunciation") properly speaking rather than a Chinese transcription (they are not hanja because, as noted above, they produce nonsense when read in Korean). Hence I have taken the liberty per WP:BOLD to remove these as they are fairly egregious to anyone with an understanding of Korean linguistics. --Tyrannus Mundi (talk) 23:00, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

She's a Korean-American who acts in the US and not Korea, and comes from immigrants seemingly an era when Koreans still wrote their names in Hanja and not Hangul... Have I got that right? 70.24.251.71 (talk) 05:08, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

I found this discussion by accident, and personally I don't know anything about Jamie Chung. But I feel like the IP user who started this discussion made his point: 鍾(종) is not a Korean last name, and doesn't pronounced as Chung. (it is Chong or Jong in Korean as others have pointed out.) Korean names have matching Hanja in most cases, and every last name can be written in Hangul and Hanja. But I have never heard a Korean last name with 鍾(종), and most people with the surname "Chung" use either 鄭, 丁 or 程 (see Chung (Korean name)). If she really is of Korean ancestry with the last name of "Chung", I doubt that her Hanja for "Chung" would be 鍾. And I think it would be best to remove her unverified Hanja (鍾潔咪) from the info box, but please note that I'm not trying to be chauvinistic: errors should be corrected. --- PBJT (talk) 00:19, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

I have removed the questioned name in Hanja (鍾潔咪). I changed it on the ground that (1) she has a Korean ancestry (I don't know this is true and not interested her ethnicity. She's an American.) (2) 鍾 (Chong) isn't a Korean surname. (again I cannot say about her first name in Hanja 潔咪). If anyone can find a source which contains her Hanja name, feel free to revert my removal. Thanks, --- PBJT (talk) 19:12, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

X-Men: Destiny

Jamie plays a character in X-Men: Destiny. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.44.40.152 (talk) 02:17, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 02:28, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Lowell High School

She graduated from Lowell High School. <ref>http://www.aceshowbiz.com/celebrity/jamie_chung/profile.html</ref>76.102.23.36 (talk) 05:09, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia, 76.102.23.36! I'm not sure why you put a message from today in between a two messages from November 2010 and April 2011, but just so you know, new discussions go at the bottom.

As for the source in question, it appears to be on Wikipedia's spam blacklist.

I did some checking, and found that fact also supported by the school's alumni association, and added it to the article. Thanks. :-) Nightscream (talk) 14:47, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Cross your eyes and hope for pie

Um, is it just me or does she have a rather cross-eyed look? Or is this some Asian thing one is not supposed to talk about? Of course wikipedia would never write about any elephants in the room. - 09:39, 19 February 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.159.89.224 (talk)

@84.159.89.224: Attractiveness is of basic importance when an article deals with an actress. It is therefore not overstating the case to say that your impolite comment merits attention. Before answering your question, however, it is worth noting that Jamie Chung is considered one of the most beautiful Asian women. As an example, take this list on the IMDb. And yet I don’t think it too farfetched to see a cross-eyed look in this image. Not surprisingly, you don’t like the look of her and drop a hint at pieing. But I’m not convinced that the indicated image actually counts as evidence for your point of view. The fact is the article is illustrated by bad images which present data in a misleading way. I’m not happy with some of them, too. To better understand your observation, it is crucial to examine other images of the actress. In searching for them, we see that a good indicator of Jamie Chung’s attractiveness would be an image which is not static, e.g. this one. I tried to add this file to the article, but encountered censorship. --Sir Gossip (talk) 13:39, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Pardon, Connor Behan has already explained his alleged "censorship": Fairly basic policy. Everything’s clear now. --Sir Gossip (talk) 22:52, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Believe

She's gonna be starring in Alfonso Cuarón's new tv series Believe on NBC, so you might want to add that to her filmography. Oh and by the way check her IMDB profile, she has many movies coming out this year and next year that need to be added too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.159.191.61 (talk) 15:52, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 June 2014

The series "Believe" was already cancelled, so I wish to edit it to "2014" instead of "2014-present". thanks Nealchug (talk) 01:55, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Done Sam Sailor ^Sing 04:08, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Addition to Filmography - Television

Jamie Chung guest-starred on an episode of Grey's Anatomy in 2010. It should be listed after Princess Protection Program. The character she plays is named Trina Paiz as listed in the citation. Woruss (talk) 02:25, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Done Inomyabcs (talk) 11:53, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

What the Chung?

The intro describes her as a blogger, and the article explains she has a blog about fashion called What the Chung?. That's fine.

Based on WP:UNDUE and since the article includes so little information about her blog and fashion writing I don't think there is any need for the intro to include the extra blurb about "avid fashionsta" etc.. The necessary information is more than adequately summarized by describing her as a blogger or fashion blogger. If the blog has won awards or it can be proven to have a notably large readership then maybe it would be worth mentioning in the intro but the content in the article does not support giving it that much weight in the intro. For most actors a blog or Twitter feed only needs a mention in the External links section. Maybe the article simply needs more work to show why her blog is particularly notable. -- 109.77.210.208 (talk) 21:42, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 July 2017

Add the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gifted_(TV_series) to The Gifted credit in her filmography. 92.97.152.144 (talk) 11:32, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Done - WikiVirusC^(talk) 12:03, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

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