Talk:Jarabulus

Kurdish name for Jarabulus

There is not even a significant Kurdish minority in the city itself, so it's useless to add Kurdish name on the city. Beshogur (talk) 17:44, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

There are no contemporary statistics, but from what we know, Jarabulus is a ethnically mixed city, predominantly inhabited by Arabs and Turkmens, but with a substantial Kurdish and Christian history. While most Christians have left, a number of Kurdish tribes remained in the Jarabulus area, though partially arabized and increasingly outnumbered by settling Arabs and Turkmens. Turkish occupation may try to wipe out the Kurdish legacy now, but we're not the fifth column of such efforts. I'm therefore restoring the erased information now. --PanchoS (talk) 23:28, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

@PanchoS In Kurdish the city is called Cerablûs. Jarabulus is an ethnically mixed city. Many Kurds live in the city. Avestaboy (talk) 09:25, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

References

Etymology

The name for Jarabulus has same meaning with Trabulus (Tripoli) according the books in Google Books, is it true? I'm unaware about North Mesopotamian Arabic. Can anyone confirm it? Beshogur (talk) 11:34, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Most probably not, because Tarabulus is derived from Tripolis, which means three-city and was referring to the three cities Oea, Sabratha and Leptis Magna in Roman times. For Jarabulus, it's not sure but also possible to be derived from a greek name (Hierapolis or Europos). However, the meaning is definitely not the same.--Ermanarich (talk) 18:26, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Yes, therefore I asked, because Mesopotamian Arabic is bit different, can there be a T -> J changing? Hierapolis sounds also possible. Beshogur (talk) 13:14, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Vandalism

@Aintabli Why are you deleting my edits? I have added sources. Even on the Spanish and German Wikipedia, the Kurdish name of the city is also mentioned. You can google it yourself.

https://books.google.de/books?id=LpwxAQAAIAAJ&q=Jarabulus+Kurdish&redir_esc=y Avestaboy (talk) 21:07, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

We might as well add the French name. Be sure to add more content to justify the addition of the name. German and Spanish Wikipedia are also totally irrelevant. Aintabli (talk) 21:15, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

@Avestaboy The book you linked is what I am talking about, but I recommend that you look for a better source that suggests a Kurdish community in the "town". Also note that any random edit you don't like is not "vandalism". Aintabli (talk) 21:28, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

@Paradise Chronicle I am not sure about the source you added. It makes no specific mention of the city. It would better fit Jarabulus Subdistrict or Jarabulus District. Aintabli (talk) 22:02, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Jarabulus is mentioned and at least some of the 16'000 might have lived in the city Jarabulus. Jarabulus is mentioned as one of three Kurdish regions/enclaves (beside the Kurd Dash and Jazira) during the French Mandate on page 8. The mention of French Mandate is on each page at the top of the page in the Chapter Kurds during the French Mandate. It's not always within the text but at the header of the page. And I am not sure if it fits to the Administrative divisions of Syria as the source treats the time of the French mandate. I guess the subdistrict and district are not mentioned specifically either. Anyway I'd AGF their inclusion there as well.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 06:25, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

@Paradise Chronicle The source doesn't emphasize on the city and clearly refers to a the hilly region between the plain Seruj and the Jarablus. So, changing it as the city would be inaccurately altering what the source says, although with GF.

One thing to note about Tejel is that he refers to the left bank of the Euphrates, which is to the east, where Kobane and Suruç is, but Tejel refers to Jarabulus as if it is on the same bank as Seruj (Suruç), which is not the case. He also mentions the right bank but implying a lesser amount of settlement by some strips of land. The Kurdish enclave near Kobane is well-known, and it is pretty clear that Tejel refers to that. Sources often refer to cities, which administrative divisions are named after, so making a distinction between a settlement and region is important to avoid confusion.

I would preferably include demographic info on the page of a district rather than a settlement, the scope of which is much more limited compared to an article about a division that encompasses the region. However, since the content in this article isn't much and the demographics of the region overall isn't that irrelevant, it can stay as is.

Lastly, the reason I don't think Tejel limits himself to the French Mandate there is because he mentions the Kurdish migration during the seventeenth century in the same paragraph and uses present tense in the last sentence. Aintabli (talk) 15:39, 14 April 2023 (UTC)