Talk:Jaranwala church arsons

Requested move 19 September 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Per consensus, (and also essential a WP:SOCKSTRIKE). (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 16:13, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

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Jaranwala church arsons → 2023 attacks on churches in Pakistan – Sources cited in the article don't call it Jaranwala church arsons. Attacks on churches in Pakistan is what the United Nations chose to call it as well. The emphasis on Jaranwala seems incorrect. Wrythemann (talk) 18:15, 19 September 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 06:48, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. The primary topic of this article is the arson of churches in Jaranwala. This is what the media, domestic and international, refers to as well. The Supreme Court is referring to the crime as the Jaranwala church arsons too. desmay (talk) 20:29, 19 September 2023 (UTC) [1][2][3][4]

  I'm sorry, but you should review the headlines in the four links you shared. Apart from the first link, all the others feature variations of "attacks on churches in Pakistan" in their headlines, omitting "Jaranwala." Outside Pakistan, news agencies commonly refer to these incidents as "church attacks in Pakistan." Wrythemann (talk) 23:36, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. As per Desmay, as well as the fact that WP:CRITERIA requires article titles to be precise, the article should not be moved. Editorkamran (talk) 07:06, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

  As per WP:CRITERIA, article titles should be based on how reliable English-language sources refer to the article's subject. Let's explore some major news agencies that covered the incident and their titles:

  • BBC - Pakistan: Mob burns churches over blasphemy claims https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-66525150
  • NPR - A mob in Pakistan burned a church and Christian homes after blasphemy accusations https://www.npr.org/2023/08/16/1194162768/pakistan-christians-churches-attacked-mob-blasphemy
  • Indian Express: Pakistan church attacks: 129 Muslims arrested in overnight raids https://indianexpress.com/article/pakistan/pakistan-arrests-129-muslims-after-mob-attacks-churches-and-homes-of-minority-christians-8896585/

  None of these mention "Jaranwala" in their headlines. Wrythemann (talk) 23:52, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

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Real Hero

Shakeel Bhatti is a former Jaranwala councillor who played a key role in bringing attention to the Jaranwala incident in Pakistan. Shakeel Bhatti is a Pakistani Christian rights activist who played a significant role in the Jaranwala incident in 2023. On 16 August 2023, a violent mob attacked Christian homes and churches in Jaranwala, and Bhatti has been vocal about the lack of justice for the victims. Here are some key points about Shakeel Bhatti and the Jaranwala incident:

Incident Details:

• A violent mob attacked Christian homes and churches in Jaranwala, Pakistan, in August 2023, following allegations of blasphemy.

• The attackers were instigated by mosque leaders and accused two Christian brothers of desecrating pages of the Quran and writing blasphemous comments.

• More than 26 church buildings and scores of Christian homes and businesses were burned or ransacked.

Shakeel Bhatti's Role:

• Shakeel Bhatti, a former Jaranwala councillor, was a key figure in bringing attention to the incident and seeking justice for the victims.

• He helped 17 Christian complainants file cases against the attackers and was vocal about the lack of progress in the investigations.

• Bhatti criticized the police for their ineffective investigation and the release of suspects on bail, citing a lack of commitment to punishing the perpetrators.

Investigation and Justice:

• The police investigation was criticized for being defective, with many suspects released on bail due to a lack of evidence.

• Rights advocates and Christian leaders, including Bhatti, have expressed disappointment and frustration with the lack of progress in the cases.

• A judicial inquiry was demanded by the Church of Pakistan President Bishop Azad Marshall, but the Punjab government has yet to respond positively.

Provided aid to victims:

• Bhatti helped provide food, shelter, and financial assistance to the affected Christian families.

Documented evidence:

• He collected video evidence and witness statements to help identify the perpetrators and build cases against them.

Advocated for justice:

• Bhatti demanded justice for the victims, pushing for the arrest and prosecution of those responsible.

Spoke out against police inaction:

• He criticized the police for their slow response and failure to protect the Christian community.

Supported legal cases:

• Bhatti helped file and pursue legal cases on behalf of the victims, seeking compensation and justice.

Atif Bhatti703 (talk) 08:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC)