Talk:Javidan Hanim

Removing Category

I've removed categories Hungarian actors and Hungarian dramatists and playwrights as I've found no trace of any professional connection with the country, and only partial in terms of ancestry.Poisonborz (talk) 11:57, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

As far as I remember from the linked reference, she was active as such in Germany. she should be categorized as an dramatist and playwright, but as I am not sure how one should categorize the nationality, I will leave it to others with more knowledge about that matter. --Aciram (talk) 16:25, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

may i add that there is an article prepared to be put on german de-WP? we do know that may wrote radio-plays (and have manuscripts) during her berlin-years, and that she acted in movies as (in german: 'statistin') someone within the crowd (in an article she published under her muslim name she wrote about that fact). --H1z (talk) 15:46, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Good job. After his divorce in 1913, she did not return home to Hungary. There were two reasons for this. 1) As the heir of the inventor Theodor Puskas, she clashed with the Upper House mafia who wanted to acquire the inheritance, so defamatory newspaper articles were published about her. 2) She lost her citizenship of the Kingdom of Hungary with the Egyptian marriage, because that was the law.

It follows from these that she did not participate in the Hungarian artistic life. Lajokka (talk) 13:25, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Delete data.

I referred to a probative study of the Queen's origin and legal name. I wrote it for a small Hungarian civil society, but it was classified as public domain and is available for free on the website of a national library. Does anyone know why the link was deleted? I corrected the queen's name, as Count Török Marianna was her sister and May Török did not exist in reality. I corrected the ascendants table with the real data. Everything was erased and bullshit was restored. What is the reason? Lajokka (talk) 14:09, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

divorce

There was no change regarding the divorce, even though we should grow up to the facts. I have already indicated that Kelemen Árvay was a K.U.K officer dismissed for crimes under common law and was not a trustworthy person. Dancer Maxim is not a real person, but a product of fantasy. The real reason was not revealed by those involved. From Djavidan's private correspondence, it seems that the second marriage in 1910 was necessary because of the expected blessing of children, but it ended in tragedy. The bleak harem life was no longer attractive to the free-spirited woman. Lajokka (talk) 18:29, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Reality

The previous information regarding the creation of the new article Javidan Hanim introduced in place of the former Count Török Marianne de Szendrö has been lost. This page contains 40 links, 31 of which point to articles by journalist Rifaat Samir. Nobody seriously thought that an Egyptian journalist knew about the princess's American birth, which was believed to be undocumented, and her life in Europe. I will tell you, during the transformation of the German banking system, the princess had financial problems, so she used the help of an American advertising professional. This eventually led to him selling his life story to the Münchner Illustrierte weekly in 1951. The journalists had no trouble with the 74-year-old lady, the guesses, opinions and legends of the Hungarian journalists between 1910-1913 were put into a nice romantic frame in the German newspaper. Objectively speaking, the situation is that not a word of the whole thing is true. The cited scientists also ran into this. It is enough for you that there is something on page 43 of Professor Cuno's book. I know that it is incorrect because I have the birth certificate unknown to the professor. I hope they are beginning to understand, this wikipedia is not suitable for development. It's just limping after publications. So I really regretted ever giving information to the English wikipedia. Lajokka (talk) 16:51, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Quality

1) Beshara Doumani. Reference: Javidan Hanim was the wife of Khedive Abbas II. Real statement. 2) Kenneth Cuno. 5 references. a) May was born to Török de Szendrö. False statement.

                                 b) she met Abbas through her brother. False statement.
                                 c) The official wedding took place on 28.02.1910 in the presence of the Grand Mufti. True statement.
                                 d) adopted Islam on 09.02.1910. The word "convert" is incorrect, the date is correct.
                                 e) She received the divorce certificate in Austria on 07.08.1913. Correct: the date of the divorce certificate is the specified date. The original divorce certificate was not found in her estate. The content and format of the deed are known from Abbas's copy.

3) A defunct museum site without evidence. Frivolous. 4) Al-Naggar, Doha. See point 6. 5) Rifat Samir: Queen for a day. Journalist, not scientist. 6) Al-Naggar, Budapest conference. (Date of divorce of parents.) Start of corrective research. 7) Rifat Samir, 30 references. Journalist, see point 5. 8)Durham University Library -- storage place for a few % of the original documents 9) ISBN978-0-253-20705-0. Zubeida - Javidan name change. Irrelevant information,. 10) ISBN 978-0-271-09425-0. The transformation of the Montaza Palace was modeled after the Tschibukli. Irrelevant information. 11) ISBN 978-0-521-51583-2. In 1931 she published the book Harem Life. In fact: The original edition was in 1930 in Berlin. A sloppy translation of this is the 1931 edition. For example, the author's foreword was omitted and the publisher added its own foreword. This is important because she declares her origin in the author's foreword, which is very different from the content of the English foreword. But the name of her sister was left out of the authors, whose real origin could also have been deciphered. Thus, Arab and American scientists only fantasize about the issue, and journalists write what they found from their predecessors. ​ Lajokka (talk) 21:59, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Possibility of correction

Dear developers. I was angry about the stupid rewriting, but no matter how much I pointed out the mistakes, nothing was fixed. I translated my Hungarian study about my aunt's origin and name into English. It's full of evidence! It's here: https://izulafome.com/en/ and it's titled: The Hungarian Vice-Queen. It is clear from the birth register that Professor Cuno was not thorough. But I won't list the mistakes any further, good reading. And it is extremely anti-democratic that the article is rewritten without notifying the previous authors. Lajokka (talk) 17:13, 17 September 2024 (UTC)