Talk:Javier Mascherano

Initial comments

someone keeps editing this, quite probably the same deranged man.u fan - claiming that despite reports he will sign for man u later (unsourced) and than man u and arsenal are 'bigger and better clubs' than w.ham (well, yes - but that doesn't belong on wikipedia).

This has been altered by a Man U fan who was messing about. Mascherano still plays for Corinthians. (25th May) THis player was known for excessive cheating techniques such as stepping on the achilles of opposing players. He received 7 yellow flags for this technique so far throughout the World Cup in 2006.

Can someone edit Mascherano's playing position to center-back? He's been playing there for almost a year for Barcelona and several times has displaced a healthy Pique or Puyol. He almost never plays Defensive Midfielder for Barcelona. 74.105.153.151 (talk) 03:59, 1 April 2012 (UTC)John

Seven yellow "flags"? What's a yellow flag? He certainly hasn't received seven yellow cards. Zerologic 15:52, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

why not

in the article it says there is no chance of him ever signing for manchester united, why, espescially if they have already made a bid rejected

as a west ham fan, I find a lot of people's jealosy interesting. It's not that often that our club has a chance to dominate the headlines, yet the other's (Arsenal, Manchester United, Chelsea and Liverpool) fans seem to get easily intimidated by us. Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano are both top class players, and I'm happy to just enjoy watching them for the rest of season... not knowing how long they will stay. Kiriakoz 05:32, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Mascherano now playts for liverpool, therefore all talk to him possibly sigining or ever playing for Man United is now irrelevant, history shows that players don't cross sides, plus, he got sent off againt them! (April 2008) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Benji1880 (talk • contribs) 19:29, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Mascherano's club status

There seems to be some confusion over which clubs he actually belongs to, so we should reach some sort of consensus (although I imagine the FA will make all of this discussion moot).

So here's what I understand to be the inarguable facts in the case:

• Mascherano has agreed to terms with Liverpool.
• Liverpool has agreed to terms with West Ham (or whatever consortium that owns the contract).
• FIFA approved the transaction.
• The FA hasn't approved it yet, but the argument isn't over whether Mascherano can go to Liverpool, but whether he can play for Liverpool this season.

As a result:

• Mascherano, having signed a FIFA-approved contract with Liverpool, is no longer a West Ham player.
• Mascherano is officially a Liverpool player, with FIFA, Liverpool and West Ham having agreed to the deal.
• However, it is not a certainty that he can actually play for Liverpool.

Is the above correct? --Ytny 19:29, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Like you say, I think we must wait before doing the official changes.VincentG 03:09, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Well Liverpool have registered him for there Champions League squad and will be wearing the number 20 shirt so there for is a Liverpool player. http://www.uefa.com/footballeurope/club=7889/competition=1/index.html

Well as I see it, Is it a permanent move or a loan deal because I have only read that this is a loan move, and at the moment he can only play for west ham so he might be a Liverpool player but he can't play for them yet so until the FA approves the transfer, it should say West Ham. Can anyone comfirm this? Skorg 09:44, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

The thing is a bit of a mess at the moment: By the fifa, uefa and fa rule because Liverpool now officially hold his registration he can not play for West Ham but untill the investagation of West Ham is over, he cant play for Liverpool in the premiership but can play for them in europe but with lack of match fitness I cant see him playing for Liverpool against Barcelona. It is a loan to permanent move (£14/16million) He has been registered for Liverpool by Uefa so he can play for them in europe but no the PL yet, the FA can not stop him from playing for Liverpool in europe. In the meantime here he is training with the rest of the Liverpool players wearing the number 20!: http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/images4/180207_npx_train_300_13.jpg http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/images4/180207_npx_train_300_09.jpg http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/images4/180207_npx_train_300_04.jpg http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/images4/180207_npx_train_300_02.jpg

Pronunciation of name

Are you sure his name is pronounced MAS-KEH-RANO? Should it not be MAS-CHE-RANO if he's Argentinian (where they speak Spanish)?

194.221.133.226 14:55, 18 May 2007 (UTC)Kevi Alonso

In Argentina, a country with a big percentage of Italian lastnames, many are aware of the Italian pronunciation and is the former, but many also the later. Given the duality, the proper (Italian) pronunciation should (could) be used. --Mariano(t/c) 17:26, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

I was in the Rioplatense Castilian region (where Mascherano is from) earlier this year and they all pronounced his name as Ma-tcher-ar-no. Football was a big talking point, and an easy way to relate was mention Mascherano to locals (seeing as I'm a Liverpool fan and he's from the area, even used to play for River) so I believe his IPA name should be edited to reflect that.

That is correct. I see no problem with changing it to reflect the Argentinean pronuciacion which is "Mas-tcher-ano". The Italian pronunciation, (Italian origin of the name), is indeed "Mas-keh-rano".So you could say that both are technically correct as Mariano has indicated. Or you could inseret both in the article. -- Alexf(t/c) 16:27, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I have now added both the Argentine pronunciation, where the the s actually proncounced as a glottal stop /ʔ/, and the standard Spanish pronunciation. I don't really see the point of having the Italian pronunciation of the name. Aikclaes (talk) In the local pronunciation, the s is not pronounced as a glottal stop but rather as a voiceless glottal fricative (see Wikipedia article for Rioplatense Spanish).95.172.68.155 (talk) 14:48, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

The player himself says he hates his name being pronounced as "maskerano". Of course is "maskerano" the right Italian pronunciation, but nobody pronounces Spielberg or Kissinger as in German —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.179.206.143 (talk) 18:57, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Incidentally, I have actually heard people pronounce those names in the German way, e.g. Christopher Hitchens (at least for Kissinger). Stephen MUFC (talk) 20:13, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

I never heard the argentine press call him MAS-KEH-RANO as nobody calls KUBUT the Chubut Province. In fact his nickname is Masche not Maske. I think we should reflect this perhaps as "most common pronounced as --Jor70 (talk) 11:16, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

The correct pronunciation of a personal name is the pronunciation used by the person himself, so this whole discussion is entirely redundant. Ask Mascherano how he pronounces it and that is how it should be pronounced. END OF DEBATE.

Mascherano Goal

Olmedo (Ecuador) vs. River Plate - 23 feb 2005 Copa Libertadores 2005 - match 1, Ida Goals: 8 min. PT, Patiño (R), 18 min. PT, Mascherano (R), 22 min. ST, Farías (R), 35 y 46 min. ST Roriguez (O)

Sending off at Old Trafford

As a Liverpool fan, I suggest you lock this NOW, because people are pissed off at him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.77.74.153 (talk) 14:39, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Bit rich coming from someone who just vandalised the page. Ged UK (talk) 14:42, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

I did that simply to attract attention. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.77.74.153 (talk) 14:44, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

That's the stupidest thing i've heard all day. Ged UK (talk) 14:46, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

The whole incident is not really noteworthy in the terms of his career.Nickpullar (talk) 14:51, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

I have reduced it down to normal Wikipedia prose. aLii (talk) 12:39, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

You summarized the event well, but didn't provide any useful information. Referee controversy is part of the game, and in this match something happened that has been talk about, and as such is relevant. Please change the article to reflect this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.90.59.54 (talk) 10:27, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

True, but in the video replay he clearly says whats happening, and that's not "immensely disrespectful". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.90.59.54 (talk) 07:18, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

He has been caught on camera numerous times and was commented on during the game that he was getting in the ref's face over every decision whether it be for him or against him. He wasn't sent off for that once instance, the language he used was foul throughout the game. No debate on this, he had to go. Also I would not have a quote saying it swung the game in United's favour as United were already ahead and Liverpool never threatened before or after his sending off. —Preceding unsigned comment added by FearSneachta (talk • contribs) 12:49, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

The current revision seems a little out of whack in terms of what actually happened, quotes being mis-used, given extra weight or not explained properly.Fronsdorf (talk) 21:02, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

The last part of the article says he made amendments for the old trafford incident at anfield...while the heading is old trafford controversy this seems irrelevant and has to be removed or included under some other heading... if he scores at OT on 21st march then it wil be worth mentioning.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.172.15.116 (talk) 20:55, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Is this one match so noteworthy in terms of his entire career it deserves a mention. Many player have had 3 match bans and fines. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.218.63.177 (talk) 10:28, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism

Can someone protect this page now, needss reviewing to put back in shape, certain people have taken it over with free for all edits, including adding a section for his Barcelona career, and completely removing his Liverpool section ?--Fernandosmission (talk) 17:44, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Done Regards --Bocafan76 (talk) 00:00, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

photo

change his photo. a person viewing d page without reading it might think he still plays for liverpool. anyways hes a disrespectful a$$hole. we got him from a relegation bound side to the most successful team in english history n he refuses 2 play 4 us. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.56.173.52 (talk) 13:39, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Player position(s)

Sources for Mascherano being also a defender? Here they are: http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/newsid=1936678.html, http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/newsid=1734812.html, http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/88/spain/2012/04/01/3006274/guardiola-mascherano-has-been-an-unimaginably-good-signing. Need some more folks? Methinks not, if UEFA.com is not a reliable source...

Attentively --AL (talk) 17:53, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Also is the operative word here. The club lists him as a midfielder. There's no question that he has been used a defender, but that does not make him one exclusively. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:47, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Certainly not, correct. You NEVER heard me say he was just a DF, i say he is a DF and a MF. --AL (talk) 03:30, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Career statistics section.

Hello all I was trying to look at Javier career statistics section to give it more details but i couldn't since lack of sources online for any appearances before moving to Europe,but what i could find while researching his appearances in River plate and Corinthians are a big mess...

how come he didn't have any continental appearances for both...while he did for sure even according to his official website== http://www.javier14mascherano.com/en/biography/ ..

then again ,I know there is a lack of sources here..but to assume he didn't make any appearances for River plate or Corinthians for cups?? (add Paulista for corinthians) for corinthians in over 4 years seem isn't correct..

maybe we should remove both river and corinthians from the career statistics section due to lack of sources and leave it only in his bio as in Adriano barca's player .

if someone can provide sources for those 4 years it would be great otherwise what do you think guys ?

Adnan (talk) 05:44, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Tax evasion

I think you should include a section about his tax evasion.

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Asturkian (talk) 13:57, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Loan

The info box is missing the loan spell at Liverpool at the beginning of 2007. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.91.120.165 (talk) 13:24, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

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