Talk:Jean-Baptiste Piron/GA1

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Reviewer: Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk · contribs) 14:02, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Will take this one. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 14:02, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Krishna Chaitanya Velaga, thank you very much for taking this on! At less than a day after being nominated, I think this must be some kind of GA record! I look forward to your comments. —Brigade Piron (talk) 15:19, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Non-reviewer comments

• Why are so many of the sources listed in other language Wikipedia articles unused here?
• This article needs an image of Piron to pass WP:GACR#The six good article criteria§6 – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 14:30, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

@Finnusertop: Image is not mandatory if it is not available. Please understand the criteria. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 14:36, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

I know. There is one available at the page cited by this article. Whether it is a free image or not is not relevant for availability, as this would be a textbook example of WP:NFCI§10. Either way, images are available. The criteria is "Illustrated, if possible, by images", and here it is possible. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 14:47, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

As I understand it, the image needs to be free under both US and local copyright laws and the free use criteria would clearly not be available under Belgian law. The website in question actually attributes it, if you click. —Brigade Piron (talk) 15:19, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

And Finnusertop, could you be more specific about which other sources you mean? I've had a look and cannot see any that meet the WP:RS that add information that is not currently in the text.—Brigade Piron (talk) 15:25, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

With regards to images. The short explanation: any image will do here, provided that it's tagged correctly.

The long explanation:

• Images that are free in both the country of origin (Belgium) and in the US can be uploaded on Wikimedia Commons and used here without restrictions.
• Images that are free in the US but not in the source country can be uploaded on Wikipedia locally ({{Do not move to Commons|reason=USonly}} and used here without restrictions.
• Images that are not free in the US but are free in the source country can be uploaded on Wikipedia locally ({{Possibly non-free in US}}) if the criteria for non-free use are met (and this is a textbook example of a case where they are).
• The same goes for images that are free in neither the US nor the source country.

– Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 15:34, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

With regards to sources: those, if any, that you consider reliable sources. If only the two cited by you are reliable, then you need to make the case for notability when WP:GNG is arguably not met. I wouldn't necessarily consider two sources – three pages of text in total – significant coverage. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 15:37, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Well, if you want to upload the image then go ahead. As for notability, you must be joking: currently cited is a listing in a (the) dictionary of national biography of Belgium and a state-funded website about notable people from Wallonia. As a show of good faith, I have added another source and I strongly suggest you read WP:NEXIST if you believe notability actually is an issue. —Brigade Piron (talk) 16:01, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

@Finnusertop: Please hold on, you're messing up the review. I see that Brigade Piron has detailed you. The subject is notable per WP:SOLDIER and the sources are reliable. Image has been added. Please note that you cannot fail a GA nomination stating that it doesn't have an image. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 14:55, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Comments by reviewer

• Section 1;
  • Who were Piron's parents?
    • I'm afraid I don't have that information. They were not notable however.—Brigade Piron (talk) 20:02, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Could something about his schooling be mentioned?
    • I am afraid I don't have that information either. I should add that schools in Belgium rarely meet the notability that, say, public schools in the UK do. I imagine he went to the local school wherever he was born.—Brigade Piron (talk)
  • Mention the full date of his birth as I can see it in the infobox
    • Done.—Brigade Piron (talk) 20:02, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
  • his studies at the Military Academy -> his studies at the academy
    • I'm afraid I don't understand this point.—Brigade Piron (talk) 20:02, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
      • No need to mention "Military Academy" always, the para is on the same context, just academy is enough.
        • Oh right, I've made the change now.—Brigade Piron (talk) 17:34, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
• Section 2;
  • began the formation of a -> began to form a
    • Done.—Brigade Piron (talk) 20:02, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
  • late 1940 -> late 1940s
    • This is not the same thing. I mean towards the end of 1940 (the year) rather than 1940s (the decade)! Brigade Piron (talk) 20:02, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Luc de Vos, a historian; better to mention the nationality
    • I'm afraid I don't know his nationality and I don't think we should assume it. What is the relevance anyway? —Brigade Piron (talk) 20:02, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
• Section 3;
  • What is the position "President of the Superior Council of the Armed Forces" presently called?
    • I do not believe the position still exists? —Brigade Piron (talk) 20:02, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
      • Mention the same.
        • I'm not sure it's particularly important. It may actually still exist - the only document I can find on the council itself (a new creation when Piron took the post) is this archival document which I fear would fail WP:OR: here. It's certainly not a hugely significant institution.—Brigade Piron (talk) 17:34, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
  • He subsequently published; remove "subsequently", it doesn't fit
    • Done.—Brigade Piron (talk) 20:02, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
• Section 4; Souvenirs 1913-1945; use en dash between the years
  • I'm afraid I don't understand. —Brigade Piron (talk) 20:02, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
    • 1913-1945 must be 1913–1945, see WP:ENDASH for more details. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 14:55, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
      • Done.—Brigade Piron (talk) 17:34, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
• Lead;
  • World War II is over-linked
    • Done.—Brigade Piron (talk) 20:02, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Germany between 1946–47 -> Germany between 1946–1947, per MOS:DATERANGE
    • Done.—Brigade Piron (talk) 20:02, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Mention about his death
    • Done.—Brigade Piron (talk) 20:02, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
• All images are licensed aptly.
• Externals links are good and no dab links found
• Copyvio detector shows 0% violation, excellent job.

Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 01:12, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks Krishna Chaitanya Velaga! I'm sorry it has taken a few days to respond to these comments - I didn't see the notification I'm afraid.—Brigade Piron (talk) 20:02, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

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GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 11:41, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

   Thank you! —Brigade Piron (talk) 16:56, 2 January 2017 (UTC)